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From Ted Dunning <ted.dunn...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: Wave community may need our help
Date Sat, 14 Mar 2015 17:43:31 GMT
Upayavira,

Mind if I add your comment to the wave report?



On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:56 AM, Upayavira <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:

> Apologies for missing the report.
>
> My impression also is that Wave will not, ever, make graduation, and
> should seek an alternative home.
>
> There’s still some benefit to the project in being associated with
> Apache, but I don’t see how it will ever reach a stronger position. From
> the discussions I’ve witnessed, the codebase is too complex and entwined
> for new contributors to engage in effectively, and that the best
> approach to the problem that it attempts to solve is to start again.
> That re-start may, or likely won’t, happen at the ASF.
>
> As a mentor, I don’t have ideas as to how to revitalise the project.
>
> Reluctantly, I would be supportive of moving the project elsewhere.
>
> Upayavira
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 06:39 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> > Hi Roman,
> >
> > you might have noticed, that one of the mentors (me) were actively
> > asking for this report. I simply forgot to sign it, which does not
> > happen often to me. In example, the last report was signed (Dec).
> >
> > More mentors are always welcome; but its not this podling is out on his
> > own. From mentoring activities, I even joined a Google Hangout to
> > clarify questions, and releases were reviewed.
> >
> > When it comes to the situation of this podling, it hasn't changed much.
> > I wonder why you think Wave would turn the corner.
> >
> > From time to time I start the retirement discussion at the podling as I
> > don't think Wave will get enough momentum. There is a small community,
> > but they cannot dedicate enough time. My personal opinion is that it
> > will not make graduation at any time, and i told that before. I am happy
> > if the project turns out otherwise.
> >
> > That being said, I am still on mailing lists, i am still helping out, I
> > just wasn't there in the past 10 days for personal reasons.
> >
> > Again, I wrote this response to help giving the right impression on the
> > podling, not to put your good intentions down to help. I am really happy
> > if somebody else would help as mentor, as well as with log4cxx and
> > ripple.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Christian
> >
> >
> > --
> >   Christian Grobmeier
> >   grobmeier@gmail.com
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 00:48, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > all throughout my tenure I was keeping an eye
> > > on Wave trying to figure out how we can help
> > > that community. The poddling has been incubating
> > > close to 5 years and for a long time they've struggled
> > > with the basics of producing the release and growing
> > > the community beyond its core.
> > >
> > > I was extremely excited to see that this reporting cycle
> > > they seem to be finally turning the corner. Unfortunately,
> > > next thing I saw was that the report wasn't signed off
> > > by mentors.
> > >
> > > I totally understand that we all get busy (hey -- I was
> > > supposed to submit the final report yesterday -- totally
> > > didn't happen). It is just that if the community is really
> > > on the verge of turning the corner I think it really behoves
> > > us to help them as much as we can.
> > >
> > > Thoughts on how we can revitalize mentoring around
> > > Wave?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Roman.
> >
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