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From Roman Shaposhnik <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Groovy Incubation proposal
Date Tue, 17 Mar 2015 16:41:44 GMT
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
> On 3/11/15 4:20 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>> Great initiative!
>> Just one question: I don't see anything related to the groovy name and
>> possible trademark in the proposal. Does Pivotal have any claims to
>> the name groovy, and if so are those claims transferred to the ASF?
> Good point.  Just from the Apache *policy* side, the ASF must have
> trademark rights to a podling's name before the board will approve a
> graduation vote.  With such a long history, we would need a clear
> statement of some sort from whoever was previously hosting Groovy
> software product releases, which would seem to be Pivotal.  Or, the
> podling would have to choose a new name that we did have rights to.  8-)
> If the PPMC requests it, we can then register the project's name as a
> trademark in the US *after* graduation.
> If this podling joins the incubator, please coordinate some Groovy PPMC
> and Pivotal contacts with trademarks@.  Presuming Pivotal is willing
> (and I can't imagine why they wouldn't be), trademarks@ can ensure the
> right stuff gets done.

Turns out it is not up to Pivotal. In fact, the statement I've just got goes
like this: "Pivotal does not have, nor will it make, any claims to the GROOVY

Basically, Pivotal was happy to sponsor the project (just like it sponsors
RabbitMQ or Redis) but wasn't involved in sorting out the situation around
the Groovy project name and its legal status.

Shane, please let me know if this bit of information is sufficient for you.
It appears as though ASF will have to do the usual PODDLINGNAMESEARCH
and determine the status of Groovy trademark on its own.

I plan to start a [VOTE] thread sometime on Wed, unless you tell me otherwise.


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