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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Groovy Incubation proposal
Date Tue, 17 Mar 2015 21:18:42 GMT
This should also be done for the logo as well... I don't
know the provenance of it, but I am sure that the Groovy
team does not want to abandon its logo.

> On Mar 17, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
> On 3/17/15 12:41 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
>>> On 3/11/15 4:20 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>>> Great initiative!
>>>> Just one question: I don't see anything related to the groovy name and
>>>> possible trademark in the proposal. Does Pivotal have any claims to
>>>> the name groovy, and if so are those claims transferred to the ASF?
>>> Good point.  Just from the Apache *policy* side, the ASF must have
>>> trademark rights to a podling's name before the board will approve a
>>> graduation vote.  With such a long history, we would need a clear
>>> statement of some sort from whoever was previously hosting Groovy
>>> software product releases, which would seem to be Pivotal.  Or, the
>>> podling would have to choose a new name that we did have rights to.  8-)
>>> If the PPMC requests it, we can then register the project's name as a
>>> trademark in the US *after* graduation.
>>> If this podling joins the incubator, please coordinate some Groovy PPMC
>>> and Pivotal contacts with trademarks@.  Presuming Pivotal is willing
>>> (and I can't imagine why they wouldn't be), trademarks@ can ensure the
>>> right stuff gets done.
>> Turns out it is not up to Pivotal. In fact, the statement I've just got goes
>> like this: "Pivotal does not have, nor will it make, any claims to the GROOVY
>> trademark"
> Can you ensure that whoever actually wrote that from the Pivotal side
> communicates it to trademarks@, or at least to vp-brand@?  If we do have
> questions later, counsel will need to email someone directly about it.
>> Basically, Pivotal was happy to sponsor the project (just like it sponsors
>> RabbitMQ or Redis) but wasn't involved in sorting out the situation around
>> the Groovy project name and its legal status.
>> Shane, please let me know if this bit of information is sufficient for you.
>> It appears as though ASF will have to do the usual PODDLINGNAMESEARCH
>> and determine the status of Groovy trademark on its own.
>> I plan to start a [VOTE] thread sometime on Wed, unless you tell me otherwise.
> No need to gate a podling acceptance vote on branding issues.  The only
> hard requirement is before graduation.
> - Shane
>> Thanks,
>> Roman.
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