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From Shane Curcuru <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Groovy Incubation proposal
Date Tue, 17 Mar 2015 20:55:20 GMT
On 3/17/15 12:41 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 3:23 PM, Shane Curcuru <> wrote:
>> On 3/11/15 4:20 PM, Martijn Dashorst wrote:
>>> Great initiative!
>>> Just one question: I don't see anything related to the groovy name and
>>> possible trademark in the proposal. Does Pivotal have any claims to
>>> the name groovy, and if so are those claims transferred to the ASF?
>> Good point.  Just from the Apache *policy* side, the ASF must have
>> trademark rights to a podling's name before the board will approve a
>> graduation vote.  With such a long history, we would need a clear
>> statement of some sort from whoever was previously hosting Groovy
>> software product releases, which would seem to be Pivotal.  Or, the
>> podling would have to choose a new name that we did have rights to.  8-)
>> If the PPMC requests it, we can then register the project's name as a
>> trademark in the US *after* graduation.
>> If this podling joins the incubator, please coordinate some Groovy PPMC
>> and Pivotal contacts with trademarks@.  Presuming Pivotal is willing
>> (and I can't imagine why they wouldn't be), trademarks@ can ensure the
>> right stuff gets done.
> Turns out it is not up to Pivotal. In fact, the statement I've just got goes
> like this: "Pivotal does not have, nor will it make, any claims to the GROOVY
> trademark"

Can you ensure that whoever actually wrote that from the Pivotal side
communicates it to trademarks@, or at least to vp-brand@?  If we do have
questions later, counsel will need to email someone directly about it.

> Basically, Pivotal was happy to sponsor the project (just like it sponsors
> RabbitMQ or Redis) but wasn't involved in sorting out the situation around
> the Groovy project name and its legal status.
> Shane, please let me know if this bit of information is sufficient for you.
> It appears as though ASF will have to do the usual PODDLINGNAMESEARCH
> and determine the status of Groovy trademark on its own.
> I plan to start a [VOTE] thread sometime on Wed, unless you tell me otherwise.

No need to gate a podling acceptance vote on branding issues.  The only
hard requirement is before graduation.

- Shane

> Thanks,
> Roman.
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