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From Jim Jagielski <>
Subject Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document
Date Wed, 04 Mar 2015 19:23:06 GMT
The bylaws don't grok the idea of a "provisional" PMC; it either
is one, or it isn't. So whether we call it provisional or not,
legally we need to understand whether we actually want it
as a real, official PMC or not.

And if we do, what, again, does the "provisional" qualifier really

> On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:12 PM, Doug Cutting <> wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:
>> At this point, I would like to open this document for soliciting as
>> wide a feedback as possible. I would like to especially request
>> attention of the ASF board members who asked for this type of
>> a document to be available.
> As a director, I still don't think the board needs to be involved in a
> pTLP's "graduation".  As far as I'm concerned, any "provisional"
> status is self-imposed by the PMC and can be removed at its pleasure.
> From the board's perspective it's either an ASF project or it's not,
> there's not a useful middle ground.  As a project it needs to provide
> reports, release according to accepted standards, operate openly, etc.
> It may be a young project, with a PMC dominated by old-timers who
> aren't responsible for much of the contribution, but I don't see why
> that requires a new formal status any more than we need a formal
> status for old, slow-moving projects that rarely release.
> Put directly, what does a pTLP's "graduation" change from the board's
> perspective?  How should it change the way we review the project's
> reports, etc.?  In short, why should we care about this label?  If a
> PMC wishes to call itself "blue" that's fine too, but we don't need a
> resolution when it decides to call itself "purple".
> Doug
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