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From Upayavira>
Subject Re: Wave community may need our help
Date Fri, 13 Mar 2015 10:56:49 GMT
Apologies for missing the report. 

My impression also is that Wave will not, ever, make graduation, and
should seek an alternative home.

There’s still some benefit to the project in being associated with
Apache, but I don’t see how it will ever reach a stronger position. From
the discussions I’ve witnessed, the codebase is too complex and entwined
for new contributors to engage in effectively, and that the best
approach to the problem that it attempts to solve is to start again.
That re-start may, or likely won’t, happen at the ASF.

As a mentor, I don’t have ideas as to how to revitalise the project.

Reluctantly, I would be supportive of moving the project elsewhere.


On Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 06:39 AM, Christian Grobmeier wrote:
> Hi Roman,
> you might have noticed, that one of the mentors (me) were actively
> asking for this report. I simply forgot to sign it, which does not
> happen often to me. In example, the last report was signed (Dec).
> More mentors are always welcome; but its not this podling is out on his
> own. From mentoring activities, I even joined a Google Hangout to
> clarify questions, and releases were reviewed.
> When it comes to the situation of this podling, it hasn't changed much.
> I wonder why you think Wave would turn the corner. 
> From time to time I start the retirement discussion at the podling as I
> don't think Wave will get enough momentum. There is a small community,
> but they cannot dedicate enough time. My personal opinion is that it
> will not make graduation at any time, and i told that before. I am happy
> if the project turns out otherwise.
> That being said, I am still on mailing lists, i am still helping out, I
> just wasn't there in the past 10 days for personal reasons. 
> Again, I wrote this response to help giving the right impression on the
> podling, not to put your good intentions down to help. I am really happy
> if somebody else would help as mentor, as well as with log4cxx and
> ripple.
> Thanks,
> Christian
> -- 
>   Christian Grobmeier
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2015, at 00:48, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > all throughout my tenure I was keeping an eye
> > on Wave trying to figure out how we can help
> > that community. The poddling has been incubating
> > close to 5 years and for a long time they've struggled
> > with the basics of producing the release and growing
> > the community beyond its core.
> > 
> > I was extremely excited to see that this reporting cycle
> > they seem to be finally turning the corner. Unfortunately,
> > next thing I saw was that the report wasn't signed off
> > by mentors.
> > 
> > I totally understand that we all get busy (hey -- I was
> > supposed to submit the final report yesterday -- totally
> > didn't happen). It is just that if the community is really
> > on the verge of turning the corner I think it really behoves
> > us to help them as much as we can.
> > 
> > Thoughts on how we can revitalize mentoring around
> > Wave?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Roman.
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