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From "John D. Ament" <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Is the Incubator a product? If so, why are there so few bugs?
Date Mon, 09 Feb 2015 20:59:58 GMT
I noticed that as well.  I'm assuming it's in part because no one has
access to the incubator JIRA.


On Mon Feb 09 2015 at 3:57:23 PM Julian Hyde <> wrote:

> Guess how many bugs have been logged against the Incubator in the last
> 2 years? Only four[1].
> The recent discussions about effective mentoring got me thinking. I
> know that my mentors are busy people, so I don't bother them with a
> question unless I've first tried to find the answer. In fact, most of
> the time I don't want to be "mentored" as such: I just want the
> Incubator to provide a clear process that I can find using five
> minutes and a couple of google searches.
> It seems clear (at least to me) that the Incubator provides a product.
> That product is an explanation of the Apache process, as clear as
> possible, and as accessible as possible. When the process is not
> clear, that is a bug in the product. So, when a discussion on this
> list did not yield a clear answer, I logged a bug[2]. That's when I
> discovered that virtually no one else is logging bugs against the
> Incubator, and I found that really surprising.
> Let me expand on the product metaphor. The Incubator provides guidance
> on the Apache process, and the projects follow it, learn, and due
> course graduate. The "product" here is the explanation of the Apache
> process. The "customers" here are the incubation projects. The product
> is imperfect and always changing, but everyone wants to improve it,
> and the way to do that is by logging issues.
> The contract is that the customers (the projects) commit to logging
> the issues they encounter (and if possible make contributions to fix
> those issues), and the the producer (the Incubator) commits to resolve
> those issues in a timely fashion.
> So then, why is the Incubator not imploring the projects to log more
> issues?
> Julian
> [1]
> [2]
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