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From Alex Harui <>
Subject Re: my pTLP view
Date Fri, 23 Jan 2015 22:33:52 GMT

On 1/23/15, 1:34 PM, "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)"
<> wrote:

>A good mentor is a guide, not a manager.
>The proposals might seem top down, but when executed correctly, they are

OK, I’ll accept that, but if executed correctly, the current Incubator
probably doesn’t need changing either.

IMO, it is hard to find a lot of really dedicated volunteers.  So your
choices are to work the really good ones really hard, try to “manage”
other volunteers, or try to find a way to work without really dedicated

In my experience, the more you try to control and check on these other
volunteers, the faster they will go away.

Apache has a really great system of accepting code from volunteers with
limited time.   You don’t have to make a time commitment, just occasional
code commitment.  Can the ASF find a way to teach culture via volunteers
with limited time?  Probably.  That’s why I mentioned the notion of having
more ASF people involved in a project, but not as the initial PMC.  Real
communities teach their culture by hanging out around the newcomers, but
no one person is signed up to do the teaching.  They do it by having lots
of villagers watching the newbies checking on what the newbies are doing
and saying when they can.  That’s hard to do on email, but if certain
newbie efforts require a shout out outside their list, then it is easier
for this larger band of villagers to hear that something important is
going on.    


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