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From Alex Harui <>
Subject Re: What is "The Apache Way"?
Date Thu, 08 Jan 2015 19:18:51 GMT

On 1/8/15, 10:49 AM, "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)"
<> wrote:

>top down rules you describe below - as you seem to be implying that
>should not exist in the Apache Way apart from a few immutable areas and I

But what are the few immutable areas?  Why isn’t there a link to a page
that lists them instead of whole presentations to try to watch?  I assume
you don’t just mean “only source in official release”, “-1 vetoes a
commit”, “3 +1 binding votes on releases”.

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Benson Margulies []
>Sent: Thursday, January 8, 2015 9:25 AM
>Subject: Re: What is "The Apache Way"?
>>I'm reasonably sure that what he's looking for is not a rule book of how
>>to run a consensus community

IMO, Apache Flex spent a great deal of energy trying to reach consensus
because we were told that “voting is a sign of failure”.  Only recently
did we find out (by having a former mentor return to help out) that
consensus might only mean “general consensus” and not “consensus approval”
as defined in the Apache Glossary.  Some communities are blessed with
people who get along well, but sometimes you can’t get everyone to agree
and then you do have to know when it is time to vote and move on or not.
Marvin may not need a rule book (or guide book) on consensus communities,
but Flex sure could have used one.


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