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From "Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ross.Gard...@microsoft.com>
Subject RE: Incubator report sign-off
Date Mon, 05 Jan 2015 21:07:18 GMT
But the board is not responsible for any actions resulting from those reviews, the IPMC is.

Ross

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From: Mattmann, Chris A (3980) [mailto:chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov] 
Sent: Monday, January 5, 2015 9:31 AM
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off

It’s not a pawning off to the board - the board is already responsible for reviewing the
IPMC report which includes *all of the same detail* that the IPMC also .. reviews.

Cheers,
Chris



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From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <list@toolazydogs.com>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Monday, January 5, 2015 at 8:59 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off

>
>On Jan 5, 2015, at 8:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <roman@shaposhnik.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 5:05 AM, Alan D. Cabrera 
>><list@toolazydogs.com>
>>wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 22, 2014, at 8:42 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>   1. get rid of IPMC altogether and move to the pTLP model
>>> 
>>> This is effectively an IPMC reboot.  I don’t really see anything 
>>>substantially different.
>> 
>> At this point, I'm convinced this is the only fruitful path forward, 
>> the rest is a shell game with responsibility. See the other thread.
>> 
>>>>   3. patch the current process with starting to drop the mentors from
>>>>       the project who don't sign off. This will essentially serve
>>>>       as a heartbeat for mentors (now, in my opinion it'll quickly
>>>>      deteriorate into mindless tick-offs -- but at least it does 
>>>>not harm).
>>> 
>>> How is it that a mentor became an IPMC member and do such an 
>>>unethical thing such as a mindless tick-off?
>> 
>> We're talking about human being here. The one who never ever cut 
>> corners in his life can cast the first stone.
>
>I think that you misunderstood my rhetorical question.  It is my 
>experience/understanding that if a mentor makes an effort to review 
>reports/releases then this mentor is actually doing a good job at it.  
>It is my experience/understanding that the overwhelming problem is that 
>mentors simply go MIA and do nothing at all.
>
>I am in favor of #3 since it holds mentors accountable.  #1 is simply a 
>washing of our hands and pawning the problem off on the board simple 
>because some of us are unwilling to do uncomfortable things.
>
>
>Regards,
>Alan
>
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