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From Dave Fisher <>
Subject Re: my pTLP view
Date Sun, 25 Jan 2015 22:01:42 GMT

On Jan 25, 2015, at 1:22 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 25, 2015 at 3:53 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz
> <> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jan 23, 2015 at 8:58 PM, Greg Stein <> wrote:
>>> ...They are reporting to the Board. We know what inactivity looks like. So we
>>> ask the PMC to fix it, or we shut them down....
>> I know how that works, it's just that with your pTLP proposal the
>> podling is "at the mercy" of their mentors - if the Incubator PMC
>> disappears it might be hard for them to recruit initial or new
>> mentors. Not a blocker for me, just an observation.
> I want to be clear about the hypothetical here. I think it is, "The
> board establishes a PMC containing some people whom it knows and
> trusts, and there is a larger community of some other people whom it
> would like to get to know and trust. (Or, even, the board included
> some of the second group in the PMC at the outset.) Before the second
> group merges with the first group, the first group loses motivation
> and disappears."
> It seems to me that this is not likely. To me, at least, signing up to
> be a PMC member is a much clearer commitment than signing up as a
> mentor, and, while I might be distracted for a month here and there,
> I'm not going to just wander away. I think I'd be pretty much typical
> (in this one tiny respect) of anyone that the board for a new PMC. To
> get into the pickle Bertrand is musing about, more than one of the
> group has to wander off, so that the remainder are not available to
> help recruit some successors from the general membership.


I think that in this pTLP proposal there are no IPMC Mentors. These are not needed. Why? The
Apache Members are coming in as the PMC. This is a much more serious commitment than being
a Mentor. The pTLP is not an IPMC entity.

Incubator life cycle for a pTLP.
- Proposal to be a pTLP.
- IPMC recommendation to the Board as a possible fit to be a pTLP.

Board life cycle for a pTLP.
- Board accepts - they can accept no matter what the IPMC opines.
- Board manages it like a TLP. Appoints Board Shepherd, etc. Not the IPMC's responsibility
any longer.
- Board decides when the probationary period is over and the little "p" is removed.


>> -Bertrand
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