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From "Alan D. Cabrera" <>
Subject Re: Podlings should be in charge of their mentors (was: Incubator report sign-off)
Date Mon, 05 Jan 2015 18:45:56 GMT

On Jan 5, 2015, at 10:22 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:

> On Mon, Jan 5, 2015 at 10:08 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <> wrote:
>> On Jan 5, 2015, at 9:21 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:
>>> The tracking part is easy, though. What's difficult is the part
>>> that would require us to do something with poddlings put
>>> on hold. Unless we come up with clear exit criteria for
>>> this new state -- I don't think we're solving any real problems
>>> here.
>> There’s no silver bullet here, if a podling cannot whip up a mentor it’s because:
>> the podling is not popular and should probably be retired anyway, being put on
>> hold will provide impetus for the podling to seek out a new venue
>> there are not enough mentors
>> There is no way to magically solve the latter.
> I've always been +1 on adding a feedback question to the poddling reporting
> template. I'll do it shortly now that there's more consensus around the idea
> compared to when I first proposed it.
> I'm strongly -1 on adding yet another state to the Incubator state transition
> diagram. In my book shifting responsibility to a poddling achieves no useful
> purposes and is going to clutter Incubator with half-alive poddlings.

But that’s what we have today; we have virtually this state already.  All my proposal does
is make things more explicit and adds accountability to mentors.

> The way I see this: once a poddling gets accepted it becomes an IPMC
> responsibility to make sure we empower it to be successful. It is true
> that circumstances change, but at that point it still needs to be an IPMC
> responsibility to either ponny up required mentorship resources or make
> a tough call of retirement. No need to chop the proverbial tail bit-by-bit.

This neatly sidesteps my assertion that there is no magical way to solve the problem of the
dearth of active mentors.  pTLP does not solve it either.


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