incubator-general mailing list archives

Site index · List index
Message view « Date » · « Thread »
Top « Date » · « Thread »
From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattm...@jpl.nasa.gov>
Subject Re: Running an experiment with pTLP
Date Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:17:52 GMT
+1 to everything Ross said below and I monitored that experiment
as well but was unaware of the 3 incidents, etc.

As for pTLPs and shifting mentorship, etc., I trust Ross’s judgement
but think we need more data on this across a number of projects
before we know definitively what’s the cause of what, etc.

Cheers,
Chris

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++






-----Original Message-----
From: "Ross Gardler   (MS OPEN TECH)" <Ross.Gardler@microsoft.com>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 at 12:07 PM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Running an experiment with pTLP

>I don't want to fan flames or point fingers, but at the same time I need
>to say this. Please read it as being intended to be constructive...
>
>This whole pTLP thing is not new. We conducted an experiment like the one
>proposed below some time ago. The outcome of that experiment was supposed
>to be a proposal to the board from the IPMC about how to create and
>manage pTLP's at scale.
>
>At the start of that experiment I (as Champion) spent a long time
>collating the various views on the proposal. I provided this as summary
>email at the start of the podlings life. I believed this was a really
>good start for whoever was going to turn it into a full proposal. It
>might be useful here also. NOTE - I'm not naming the podling or mentors
>to minimize the chance of people feeling that I'm finger pointing in the
>following paragraphs - there are plenty of folks around who will have
>that email in their archives.
>
>Unfortunately the experiment did not go well.
>
>No proposal was received and, more importantly, as champion (but not a
>mentor) for the project in question I was asked to step in on three
>separate occasion. This was despite, or perhaps because of, there being
>some very old hands in the podling committer list.
>
>My point today is just the same as it was when this was discussed the
>first time around. This proposal simply moves the problem (projects
>lacking in appropriate mentorship) to someone else's doorstep. It does
>not solve the problem itself.
>
>To be clear, I have no intention of voting against the proposed
>experiment. I do want to see the experiment take place (just as I did the
>first time around) but we need to ensure we are not simply moving the
>oversight role - that is not the problem that needs solving.
>
>Ross
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bertrand Delacretaz [mailto:bdelacretaz@apache.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:39 AM
>To: Incubator General
>Subject: Re: Running an experiment with pTLP
>
>On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org> wrote:
>> ...Given that I'll be mentoring Zeppelin, I'd love to use that as a
>>guinea pig.
>> Provided, that I'd have some level of collaboration from the board....
>
>I don't have a clear idea of what the suggested experiment means, it
>looks like that info is scattered around several threads that I have lost
>track of. A brief definition on a wiki page would help make sure
>everybody has the same view of what you are suggesting.
>
>-Bertrand
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org

Mime
View raw message