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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <>
Subject Re: Running an experiment with pTLP
Date Tue, 30 Dec 2014 21:17:52 GMT
+1 to everything Ross said below and I monitored that experiment
as well but was unaware of the 3 incidents, etc.

As for pTLPs and shifting mentorship, etc., I trust Ross’s judgement
but think we need more data on this across a number of projects
before we know definitively what’s the cause of what, etc.


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: "Ross Gardler   (MS OPEN TECH)" <>
Reply-To: "" <>
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 at 12:07 PM
To: "" <>
Subject: RE: Running an experiment with pTLP

>I don't want to fan flames or point fingers, but at the same time I need
>to say this. Please read it as being intended to be constructive...
>This whole pTLP thing is not new. We conducted an experiment like the one
>proposed below some time ago. The outcome of that experiment was supposed
>to be a proposal to the board from the IPMC about how to create and
>manage pTLP's at scale.
>At the start of that experiment I (as Champion) spent a long time
>collating the various views on the proposal. I provided this as summary
>email at the start of the podlings life. I believed this was a really
>good start for whoever was going to turn it into a full proposal. It
>might be useful here also. NOTE - I'm not naming the podling or mentors
>to minimize the chance of people feeling that I'm finger pointing in the
>following paragraphs - there are plenty of folks around who will have
>that email in their archives.
>Unfortunately the experiment did not go well.
>No proposal was received and, more importantly, as champion (but not a
>mentor) for the project in question I was asked to step in on three
>separate occasion. This was despite, or perhaps because of, there being
>some very old hands in the podling committer list.
>My point today is just the same as it was when this was discussed the
>first time around. This proposal simply moves the problem (projects
>lacking in appropriate mentorship) to someone else's doorstep. It does
>not solve the problem itself.
>To be clear, I have no intention of voting against the proposed
>experiment. I do want to see the experiment take place (just as I did the
>first time around) but we need to ensure we are not simply moving the
>oversight role - that is not the problem that needs solving.
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Bertrand Delacretaz []
>Sent: Tuesday, December 30, 2014 2:39 AM
>To: Incubator General
>Subject: Re: Running an experiment with pTLP
>On Tue, Dec 30, 2014 at 12:14 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:
>> ...Given that I'll be mentoring Zeppelin, I'd love to use that as a
>>guinea pig.
>> Provided, that I'd have some level of collaboration from the board....
>I don't have a clear idea of what the suggested experiment means, it
>looks like that info is scattered around several threads that I have lost
>track of. A brief definition on a wiki page would help make sure
>everybody has the same view of what you are suggesting.
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