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From "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <>
Subject Re: Incubator report sign-off
Date Fri, 19 Dec 2014 22:18:25 GMT
Thank you Benson. And that food fight taught me a lot too and
so did the conversations with you.

Cheers and happy holidays.


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Benson Margulies <>
Reply-To: "" <>
Date: Friday, December 19, 2014 at 12:15 PM
To: "" <>
Subject: Re: Incubator report sign-off

>Back when I was trying to be the chair of this operation, we (ChrisM &
>I & others) had a lovely old food fight about Chris M's proposal. It
>seems to me that the fundamental situation as I saw it remains: this
>is a proposal to the board to dissolve the IPMC and replace it with
>something else. And just to be clear: I think that it's a _good idea_
>as a proposal to the board.
>I think that it amounts to making the Foundation's policy be:
>    You can launch a new project in the Foundation if you can recruit
>three foundation members (or others acceptable to the board) as the
>nucleus of your PMC to teach you the ropes and ensure that policies
>are respected; from the start, you're an 'incubating TLP' reporting to
>the board like all other TLPs.
>I don't think that those three people have, necessarily to be coders.
>But they have to be fully engaged  -- they have to be members of the
>community and the PMC.
>It seems to me that any scheme short of this is guaranteed to end up
>right back where we are; struggling to simulate working PMCs with
>shepherds and mentors and champions and, I don't know, curators and
>wardens and counselors.
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