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From "John D. Ament" <>
Subject Re: Incubator report sign-off
Date Tue, 30 Dec 2014 15:26:26 GMT
On Mon Dec 29 2014 at 9:50:49 AM Rich Bowen <> wrote:

> On 12/21/2014 11:14 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
> > I don't particularly like that idea.  For one, I know that if I were to
> see
> > 50%+ of mentors on a project I'm a mentor on sign off on the report, I'm
> > probably going to look at things, but not add my signature.  Not out of
> > laziness, but in seeing that others are dealing with it as well and my
> > signature is just more "noise" on the report.
> And as someone reviewing that report, it is *absolutely* not just noise.
> It tells me that the mentors are engaged, and that are in tune with what
> the podling is doing, and that the podling is listening to their mentors
> are are learning the ropes.
> Podlings that have 100% mentor signoff indicate that everything is going
> perfectly, and there's no reason for concern.
> Absolutely not just noise. Take the extra 2 seconds to add your sign off.

I disagree.  Checking a check box is much different than adding meaningful
comments, either on mailing lists or on the report itself.

For example, which gives you better info that I feel confident in Tamaya's
board report.

My check here:

or my comments in this thread:

All the check does (from my point of view) is give someone a brief summary
that things are looking good.  The check mark doesn't imply any due
diligence on the mentor's part.  It's very misleading to see it that way.
Take a look for example at the log4cxx2 podling's report.  It has mentor
sign off, but the contents are barely present.  The only reason it has
mentor sign off is because the mentor wrote the report, after I (as the
shepherd) reminded the podling.

> --Rich
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