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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: Incubator report sign-off
Date Tue, 30 Dec 2014 02:23:50 GMT
I'd like to look at this through a lens of failure analysis. How do
podlings fail? I see two main patterns.

1. Failure to build a community. These are the podlings that we find
adrift in space with the lights on but no one home on the mailing

2. Failure to build an _Apache_ community. These are the podlings that
JimJag was referring to in another thread; they are here, perhaps, for
the brand, perhaps launched/dumped here by a commercial enterprise.
They have people, they make releases, but there's an empty resonant
cavity where the Apache Way is supposed to be.

We observe missing mentors in both cases, but I claim that it's only a
serious problem in the second case. In the first case, the problem
isn't lack of supervision.

Here is where the 'Mentors in the Project' (whether directly reporting
to the board or not) leaps up and looks like a great idea to me. The
whole goal of incubation is to run an Apache project on training
wheels. How does an Apache project run? WIth a chair and PMC members
supervising it and _reporting to the board_.  The proposal, as I see
it, is to tell the champion and other mentors that they, and not the
entire IPMC in some nebulous fashion, are the PMC in the PPMC. By the
time the podling graduates, their need to have expanded themselves to
a larger group.

The board may choose to keep the IPMC around to organize and support
this process. The board may choose to continue to ask the IPMC to add
an extra layer of supervision. But the heart of the proposal is to
insist that every podling be nucleated around at least three people
who have the experience to operate as a PMC and have volunteered for
the responsibility.

On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 7:01 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2014 at 6:40 AM, Rich Bowen <> wrote:
>> Roman, please forgive me absence from this conversation. I started the
>> thread, and then went on Christmas vacation. I am still on vacation for
>> another week, but will attempt to keep up with the conversation here, and
>> not abandon the thread I started. Please also forgive the dozen responses
>> that I'm dropping all at once.
> This totally makes two of us. Every time Christmas season begins this is
> very much the predicament I find myself in.
> Thanks,
> Roman.
> P.S.  Not even sure whether it would be better to simply go away 100% so
> at least folks get a nice auto-responder email while I can't be present anyway.
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