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From Andrew Purtell <>
Subject Re: Incubator report sign-off
Date Mon, 29 Dec 2014 18:45:05 GMT
There are honorary and practical reasons why a project may view the PMC Chair and the project
leader as one in the same. 

Honorary: The community elevated one member as lead and assigned the Chair role out of respect.

Practical: The PMC Chair has the power to dissolve the PMC, and is an officer of the Foundation.
Nobody else on the project has such power nor indemnification. "Secretary" as a term does
not adequately encompass that.

> On Dec 29, 2014, at 6:46 AM, Rich Bowen <> wrote:
> On 12/23/2014 03:34 PM, sebb wrote:
>>> Flex had three great mentors, but to expect them to be the PMC Chair on
>>> >graduation would have been problematic.  They were great mentors because
>>> >they had lots of experience from their work on other Apache projects, and
>>> >thus didn’t have time to stay active on a new TLP, plus they really
>>> >weren’t users or developers of the technology, just our coaches on the
>>> >Apache Way, and thus wouldn’t be good Chair candidates as they weren’t
>>> >invested in the technology.  But they did stick around on at least the
>>> >private@ lists and continue to do so even 2 years after graduation where
>>> >we consult them on occasion.  To require that a mentor be an active
>>> >contributor limits the kinds of technologies that can come to Apache to
>>> >only those who can interest someone with a lot of spare cycles.
>>> >
>>> >IMO, the mentors job is to teach, not to lead.
>> The job of the PMC chair is almost entirely administrative.
>> They are the link between the board and the PMC and their main role is
>> to ensure the board gets timely reports and to feed back comments from
>> the board.
>> If a PMC is relying on the chair to drive it forward technically, then
>> I think something has gone wrong with the PMC.
> Indeed. Big +1 on this.
> There are some projects that I've been watching lately where the PMC chair is viewed
as the project lead, and that has a number of problems that go along with it. The PMC chair
is a secretary, whose job is to file the right paperwork. A *hugely* important role, but not
a technical lead role.
> -- 
> Rich Bowen - - @rbowen
> - @apachecon
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