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From Chris Mattmann <mattm...@apache.org>
Subject Re: Mentors heartbeat
Date Thu, 04 Sep 2014 14:31:35 GMT
Seriously, give me a break.

This has been discussed ad naseum - It's a quick simple measure
to see if one of the stated requirements for mentors (reading the
monthly report, and *signing that you read it*) has been fulfilled.
It means nothing more than that. I didn't say good. I didn't say bad.
You did.

Statistics are simply that - statistics. Meaning is derived from them
in multiple ways. You showing up on this list simply means at one point
over the past 3-4 years, you thought that putting your name on one of
those wiki pages was important enough to do so, 14 times.

Anyone that would like to let their coding/scripting do the talking,
I invite you to.

Until then, feel free to send more email messages debating this message
and the follow on reply that I won't be sending, and any further messages
to yourself and others after that.




-----Original Message-----
From: "rgardler@opendirective.com" <rgardler@opendirective.com>
Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Date: Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:05 AM
To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
Subject: RE: Mentors heartbeat

>Surely we are not going to start counting signing off on a report as
>indicative of good/bad mentoring?
>
>What's important is whether podlings are getting what they need from
>their mentors. Besides,  someone who has actively mentored one new
>podling through initial setup in a first month will have one "tick" while
>someone else who has done little more than sign off on reports for the
>years will have many "ticks".
>
>Case in point, I've not actively mentored a project for at least a couple
>of years (I just signed up to one this month), yet according to this
>measure I am one of the more active mentors.
>
>Lets not demean the work good new mentors are doing by counting a few
>characters on a wiki page.
>
>Note, I'm not saying rolling to assist the incubator and mentors is a bad
>thing. I'm saying this specific example is a bad thing.
>
>Sent from my Windows Phone
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
>Sent: ?9/?3/?2014 10:25 PM
>To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
>Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>
>These are the "signed off" per month mentors per podling over
>the last 3 years. So it measures how many times a mentor has
>signed off (summed across all podlings) during that time span.
>
>Cheers,
>Chris
>
>
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>Chief Architect
>Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Konstantin Boudnik <cos@apache.org>
>Reply-To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
>Date: Wednesday, September 3, 2014 10:11 PM
>To: <general@incubator.apache.org>
>Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>
>>Arguably, the number of mentored project doesn't reflect "the activity"
>>per
>>se. Unless I am missing something.
>>
>>Cos
>>
>>On Mon, Aug 25, 2014 at 04:46AM, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) wrote:
>>> Guys, +1 to eventually doing this with JSON and YAML. The big problem
>>> I see is curation (someone has to maintain it). Right now board reports
>>> and the wiki are what's used to make the report, so feel free to use my
>>> scripts for now until those are changed over. For example, I just ran
>>>them
>>> right now (with some major pythonic updates to sniff mentors, and to
>>> map name to committer ID, and updating years and months to current and
>>> here's what I get):
>>> 
>>> 29 phunt
>>>   24 tomwhite
>>>   24 rvs
>>>   24 mattmann
>>>   23 cdouglas
>>>   20 hsaputra
>>>   18 bdelacretaz
>>>   18 arvind
>>>   16 adc
>>>   14 smarru
>>>   14 rgardler
>>>   14 olamy
>>>   14 gates
>>>   13 jfarrell
>>>   12 kevan
>>>   11 tdunning
>>>   11 jim
>>>   11 grobmeier
>>>   11 ddas
>>>   10 omalley
>>>    9 mfranklin
>>>    8 wave
>>>    8 lresende
>>>    8 jbonofre
>>>    8 ate
>>>    7 twilliams
>>>    7 rfrovarp
>>>    7 ke4qqq
>>>    7 jukka
>>>    6 jzb
>>>    6 acmurthy
>>>    5 struberg
>>>    5 nslater
>>>    5 marrs
>>>    5 lewismc
>>>    5 greddin
>>>    5 bodewig
>>>    4 thorsten
>>>    4 mahadev
>>>    4 joes
>>>    4 jghoman
>>>    4 gsingers
>>>    4 fmui
>>>    3 upayavira
>>>    3 tommaso
>>>    3 stevenn
>>>    3 ssc
>>>    3 snoopdave
>>>    3 nick
>>>    3 marvin
>>>    3 hwright
>>>    3 gstein
>>>    3 gianugo
>>>    3 chipchilders
>>>    3 benh
>>>    3 apurtell
>>>    2 todd
>>>    2 larsh
>>>    2 jochen
>>>    2 jmclean
>>>    2 dkulp
>>>    2 dennisl
>>>    2 dashorst
>>>    2 cutting
>>>    2 antelder
>>>    1 yegor
>>>    1 wrowe
>>>    1 wavw
>>>    1 stack
>>>    1 simonetripodi
>>>    1 robweir
>>>    1 rmannibucau
>>>    1 rfeng
>>>    1 rbircher
>>>    1 nandana
>>>    1 mnour
>>>    1 jvermillard
>>>    1 fchrist
>>>    1 enis
>>>    1 elecharny
>>>    1 cos
>>>    1 coheigea
>>>    1 brett
>>>    1 bmargulies
>>>    1 berndf
>>>    1 asavory
>>>    1 ant
>>>    1 akarasulu
>>>    1 ahart
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
>>> Chief Architect
>>> Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
>>> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
>>> Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
>>> Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
>>> WWW:  http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
>>> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: "Alan D. Cabrera" <list@toolazydogs.com>
>>> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014 10:54 AM
>>> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Mentors heartbeat
>>> 
>>> >
>>> >On Aug 24, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Alan D. Cabrera <list@toolazydogs.com>
>>> >wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>>> I am not so sure if its worth while with the board report.
>>> >> 
>>> >> What's good for the goose is good for the gander.  Having the board
>>> >>report in machine readable formats provides the same advantages as
>>>that
>>> >>afforded incubator reports.
>>> >
>>> >If these machine readable reports work out, I see no reason why they
>>> >would not, then I predict an explosion of tool driven processes, e.g.
>>> >release voting, podling acceptance and graduation votes, etc.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >Regards,
>>> >Alan
>>> >
>>> 
>>> 
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