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From Roman Shaposhnik <>
Subject Re: Lack of releases with Droids
Date Sat, 23 Aug 2014 22:10:30 GMT

I was hoping that other mentors (who were explicitly CCed)
would reply, but apparently Richard is the last mentor standing.
Although we can wait for a week or so more (after all, vacations
are in full swing right now) I think it is time for me to ask
this question: Richard, do think that with only one active mentor
on the project it has a chance to graduate any time soon?


On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 2:05 PM, Richard Frovarp <> wrote:
> On 08/18/2014 03:40 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
>> On Mon, Aug 18, 2014 at 12:42 PM, Richard Frovarp <>
>> wrote:
>>> A lot of wind was taken out of the sails in the fights to get the IPMC
>>> votes
>>> necessary to finish a release. We had two votes, but needed to request
>>> several times for help getting that third vote. For those that did help
>>> us
>>> out, thank you. However, the whole process wasn't fun or easy. With most
>>> every other PMC, you're going to have enough interested parties to chip
>>> in
>>> and help get that release out, without asking for votes for well over a
>>> week.
>> The release process reforms adopted in December 2013 greatly mitigate
>> this problem. (All Droids releases pre-date the reforms.)
> I had to read it a couple of times, but that does make it easier. Not
> exactly clear how a podling gets pre-cleared, but that would make releases
> much easier for a project like Droids.
>> These days, I think we should have little sympathy for podlings who
>> choose to wait passively for IPMC votes rather than seize the
>> initiative.
> Define "seize the initiative". You are right, our releases were made before
> those changes. The last release involved 4 messages to the general@i.a.o
> asking for help over the course of a month to get the votes. That one was
> unfortunate as the only binding vote from the IPMC was me, so we were in
> need of two binding votes.
>>> That in my opinion killed releases, which helped kill development. That
>>> makes growing a community difficult. I RM'd the two releases, and I
>>> really
>>> don't feel like doing a 3rd.
>> That's unfortunate for Droids.
>> But whether a community can find a way to push through the release
>> process is some measure of whether it has enough energy to survive as
>> a TLP -- especially now that our reforms have empowered sufficiently
>> motivated podling communities to drive the process.
>> Marvin Humphrey
> Well we pushed through it, twice, when you thought it was harder to do. The
> problem is that it zapped a lot of the energy doing so. We made legal two
> legal releases despite the problems. A couple of issues with some of the
> legalities were caught when doing the first release. Once those issues were
> fixed (NOTICE file was one of them), we were good. I completely understand
> the need for how we do things at the ASF. I am in favor of them.
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