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From Henry Saputra <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal
Date Tue, 15 Jul 2014 21:38:33 GMT
Hi Andrew, thanks for chiming in =)

I like your and Owen's opinion about initial members of an incubator project.
And also agree it is responsibility of the polling to achieve better
diversity during its time under Apache incubator.

For this particular proposal, however, the mentors mostly coming from
same organization.
Hopefully with this proposal announcement, the project could "solicit"
mentors from different organizations to help add check and balance.

- Henry

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Purtell <> wrote:
> I had started typing up a response to Henry's mail but will discard the
> beginning of it to say I agree with Owen. A new project coming into the
> incubator quite naturally could have the initial set of committers entirely
> from one organization. An organization donating an existing code base, for
> example.
> However, there has been recent discussion elsewhere that the Incubator
> should more closely consider if an incubating project has succeeded to grow
> a community beyond the initially limited group before declaring a project
> ready for graduation. (Refer to the discussion on the graduation of Apache
> Tez.) This position seems reasonable, and should naturally apply here. If a
> project exits graduation with the same lack of PMC/committer diversity with
> which it entered, this is in effect Apache-washing, in my opinion. A
> stacked PMC is no more open a community then one controlled by a BDFL and
> hosted on GitHub.
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Owen O'Malley <> wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Henry Saputra <>
>> wrote:
>> > Maybe we should start asking incubator project to try to build some
>> > kind of momentum or community before going to ASF incubator.
>> >
>> Apache incubator is a great place for new projects to grow their community
>> and diversity. Once a project is established it is much harder to change
>> the infrastructure and there projects started on github are more likely to
>> stay on github. I think there is significant value in these projects being
>> done in the Apache Way.
>> >
>> > All but one PPMC members for this proposal would be from Hortonworks.
>> >
>> Would you like to volunteer to help mentor?
>> > Just from high level it seems like it has similar goal as Apache Knox
>> > [1], what is the differences between the 2?
>> >
>> I think Knox and Argus complement each other. Knox provides perimeter
>> security via proxy/gateway services, while Argus is providing fine grain
>> integrated authorization and auditing.
>> .. Owen
> --
> Best regards,
>    - Andy
> Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> (via Tom White)

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