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From "Owen O'Malley" <omal...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal
Date Wed, 16 Jul 2014 23:07:40 GMT
On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 1:20 AM, Chris Douglas <cdouglas@apache.org> wrote:

> The committer and PPMC list should be honest. If there is no
> diversity, that fact must be visible for it to be tracked.
>

a big +1

Chris, I know you are pretty overloaded at the moment with podlings, but
would
you be willing to be a mentor for Argus?

.. Owen


>
> Initial committers are a dodge that demonstrates nothing about the
> project's willingness to not only accept, but attract new ideas. The
> viability of an OSS project is not inaccurately *defined* as its
> ability to compete for that attention. Demanding pro forma adherence
> to heuristics is a harmful lesson to podlings, unless the goal is to
> teach them to evade accountability. -C
>
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 02:38PM, Henry Saputra wrote:
> >> Hi Andrew, thanks for chiming in =)
> >>
> >> I like your and Owen's opinion about initial members of an incubator
> project.
> >> And also agree it is responsibility of the polling to achieve better
> >> diversity during its time under Apache incubator.
> >>
> >> For this particular proposal, however, the mentors mostly coming from
> >> same organization.
> >> Hopefully with this proposal announcement, the project could "solicit"
> >> mentors from different organizations to help add check and balance.
> >>
> >> - Henry
> >>
> >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> > I had started typing up a response to Henry's mail but will discard
> the
> >> > beginning of it to say I agree with Owen. A new project coming into
> the
> >> > incubator quite naturally could have the initial set of committers
> entirely
> >> > from one organization. An organization donating an existing code
> base, for
> >> > example.
> >> >
> >> > However, there has been recent discussion elsewhere that the Incubator
> >> > should more closely consider if an incubating project has succeeded
> to grow
> >> > a community beyond the initially limited group before declaring a
> project
> >> > ready for graduation. (Refer to the discussion on the graduation of
> Apache
> >> > Tez.) This position seems reasonable, and should naturally apply
> here. If a
> >> > project exits graduation with the same lack of PMC/committer
> diversity with
> >> > which it entered, this is in effect Apache-washing, in my opinion. A
> >> > stacked PMC is no more open a community then one controlled by a BDFL
> and
> >> > hosted on GitHub.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Owen O'Malley <omalley@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Henry Saputra <
> henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > Maybe we should start asking incubator project to try to build
some
> >> >> > kind of momentum or community before going to ASF incubator.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Apache incubator is a great place for new projects to grow their
> community
> >> >> and diversity. Once a project is established it is much harder to
> change
> >> >> the infrastructure and there projects started on github are more
> likely to
> >> >> stay on github. I think there is significant value in these projects
> being
> >> >> done in the Apache Way.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > All but one PPMC members for this proposal would be from
> Hortonworks.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Would you like to volunteer to help mentor?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > Just from high level it seems like it has similar goal as Apache
> Knox
> >> >> > [1], what is the differences between the 2?
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> I think Knox and Argus complement each other. Knox provides perimeter
> >> >> security via proxy/gateway services, while Argus is providing fine
> grain
> >> >> integrated authorization and auditing.
> >> >>
> >> >> .. Owen
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Best regards,
> >> >
> >> >    - Andy
> >> >
> >> > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet
> Hein
> >> > (via Tom White)
> >>
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