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From Chris Douglas <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Incubator exit criteria
Date Wed, 09 Jul 2014 08:12:39 GMT
On Wed, Jul 9, 2014 at 12:23 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <> wrote:
> Again, why would code lose users? Remember we're talking
> about a situation of no releases here. Presumably those
> users who are comfortable building from the repo would
> just keep doing so. And since there was no release,
> what else is out there for us to worry about?

IIRC there may be implications for licensing if someone is literally
pulling code out of trunk and distributing it. Without a release, the
PMC hasn't represented that the artifact is kosher. For release tags,
this is true.

>> and remove all references to apache in  the
>> project and doc and website etc etc. All tons of work which being a small
>> project they'd probably never get done so it would likely be the death of
>> the project.
> I see no reason to do any of that for the project that's
> in the attic.

This seems consistent. Either there's development and new artifacts in
its life after Apache (requiring some work), or there's no development
and the existing artifacts are untouched.

Besides: if development restarts, reactivating the project from the
attic should not be difficult. This shouldn't create problems in

>> And for what purpose? To quote one of them from their dev list a couple of
>> months ago: "Going to the attic would suck. It's a solid code base, it's
>> just one of those things that doesn't necessarily need to change much.".
>> The main people in Droids we know and trust, they are ASF members and PMC
>> chairs. We in the Incubator should be helping them graduate not looking for
>> ways to retire the project.
> The quote feels a little bit misinformed about the attic/ASF
> policies.

+1 I don't see how the contributors' status has anything to do with
the project's viability.

Are there aspects about the attic that we haven't considered? Why
would that "suck"? -C

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