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From Konstantin Boudnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Apache Argus Proposal
Date Wed, 16 Jul 2014 06:30:14 GMT
If an objective of a podding is to build a diversified community then perhaps
it should be an explicitly defined graduation criteria? In fact, earlier I have
raised exactly the same question about Tez but I don't think it ever been
satisfactory answered.

As for chances of a project to stick with github if it was started their - I
respectfully disagree. I think only projects which feel comfortable within
the github will stay there. Others will move on: Apache Spark is a great
example of late. After 2 years of organic growth @github they came to the
Incubator and graduated very fast with flying colors. Without stacking the
PPMC IIRC.

So, I am fond of Henry's hope that the project will solicit a more diversified
set of mentors and initial committers.

--
  Cos

On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 02:38PM, Henry Saputra wrote:
> Hi Andrew, thanks for chiming in =)
> 
> I like your and Owen's opinion about initial members of an incubator project.
> And also agree it is responsibility of the polling to achieve better
> diversity during its time under Apache incubator.
> 
> For this particular proposal, however, the mentors mostly coming from
> same organization.
> Hopefully with this proposal announcement, the project could "solicit"
> mentors from different organizations to help add check and balance.
> 
> - Henry
> 
> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:22 PM, Andrew Purtell <apurtell@apache.org> wrote:
> > I had started typing up a response to Henry's mail but will discard the
> > beginning of it to say I agree with Owen. A new project coming into the
> > incubator quite naturally could have the initial set of committers entirely
> > from one organization. An organization donating an existing code base, for
> > example.
> >
> > However, there has been recent discussion elsewhere that the Incubator
> > should more closely consider if an incubating project has succeeded to grow
> > a community beyond the initially limited group before declaring a project
> > ready for graduation. (Refer to the discussion on the graduation of Apache
> > Tez.) This position seems reasonable, and should naturally apply here. If a
> > project exits graduation with the same lack of PMC/committer diversity with
> > which it entered, this is in effect Apache-washing, in my opinion. A
> > stacked PMC is no more open a community then one controlled by a BDFL and
> > hosted on GitHub.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Owen O'Malley <omalley@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Jul 15, 2014 at 1:59 PM, Henry Saputra <henry.saputra@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Maybe we should start asking incubator project to try to build some
> >> > kind of momentum or community before going to ASF incubator.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Apache incubator is a great place for new projects to grow their community
> >> and diversity. Once a project is established it is much harder to change
> >> the infrastructure and there projects started on github are more likely to
> >> stay on github. I think there is significant value in these projects being
> >> done in the Apache Way.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> > All but one PPMC members for this proposal would be from Hortonworks.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Would you like to volunteer to help mentor?
> >>
> >>
> >> > Just from high level it seems like it has similar goal as Apache Knox
> >> > [1], what is the differences between the 2?
> >> >
> >>
> >> I think Knox and Argus complement each other. Knox provides perimeter
> >> security via proxy/gateway services, while Argus is providing fine grain
> >> integrated authorization and auditing.
> >>
> >> .. Owen
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> >
> >    - Andy
> >
> > Problems worthy of attack prove their worth by hitting back. - Piet Hein
> > (via Tom White)
> 
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