From general-return-45287-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Tue Jun 24 04:45:17 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AFB4111619 for ; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 04:45:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 48581 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jun 2014 04:45:17 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 48402 invoked by uid 500); 24 Jun 2014 04:45:16 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 48376 invoked by uid 99); 24 Jun 2014 04:45:16 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 04:45:16 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of vinodkv@hortonworks.com designates 209.85.160.53 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.160.53] (HELO mail-pb0-f53.google.com) (209.85.160.53) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Tue, 24 Jun 2014 04:45:13 +0000 Received: by mail-pb0-f53.google.com with SMTP id uo5so6733941pbc.12 for ; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:44:48 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:sender:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to :date:cc:message-id:references:to:content-type; bh=IpSqgCIeCfJ3O/MP5Y90AFZpYlhMFif9lXHROKjrK/A=; b=dbhqmLF4o3C8DDsWrj86sKaGjLQBWhW6Zsp4rR4r31qDuRHZjI+QLRX3DnUsQX8xkH MJRuoO52qp1Wtxj5LU0ZPQL1oAhZMPnutRJ7NiT1hCvYSl3CT5TvTXp4FCySwNFQug9a C1Xi9Hw3lromCpaddijJsVUakO63B9TBItlIe35iQRPhOkuvbK4e4ot4N9hunVGERyab ZwIH07J9d4Uly5TvSGQo1A0Gd40REu98Kas5sLTcjtLnWEHpIa8BVmYg1I4opu6kW8s+ 3QqZOYwrc+cbksx0i5uj6Gh+37DB+Fh8m2/UQACfzquJa890OZSHXKIRiUsmKtC2+RIL c15w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQldmHn4Dxy9W/Zujdb0rgItyQAXAY4TTjgzVki9BDsYoWmte58MuzdsDsrean1KW1f93wn7NdPY21qMEDcNw225LLNBFzmMzebIesPKq8tLAVDJQEA= X-Received: by 10.66.232.166 with SMTP id tp6mr34491192pac.127.1403585088269; Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:44:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.78] (76-198-130-172.lightspeed.mtvwca.sbcglobal.net. [76.198.130.172]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id qv3sm29546217pbb.87.2014.06.23.21.44.47 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:44:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 7.3 \(1878.2\)) Subject: Re: Tez graduation [Was: Request for mentor assessment] From: Vinod Kumar Vavilapalli In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:44:45 -0700 Cc: dev@tez.incubator.apache.org Message-Id: <7ECDF368-5CBD-40C8-A560-5CB95ABA1B13@apache.org> References: <20140616195336.GC27913@boudnik.org> <20140621030237.GA3686@tpx> <7778B9B0-8FD6-4ED2-8BC1-66C4898B5870@apache.org> To: general@incubator.apache.org X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1878.2) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=047d7b15a5fd9ae33c04fc8d9ead X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org --047d7b15a5fd9ae33c04fc8d9ead Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I see two threads here - Concerns about graduation of Apache Tez project w.r.t diversity based on the PPMC html page - Community related threads about things like whether diversity is a hard requirement or how to grow communities. AFAICT, Hitesh's latest information on the state of the members of the team (and the updated page) should allay any concerns on diversity. If people disagree, we can continue this thread along that discussion. If not, we can close this topic as the graduation discussion/vote proceeds here and elsewhere. The other threads may be valuable but OT IMHO and so are better forked into their own threads. Thanks, +Vinod On Jun 23, 2014, at 4:26 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 2:41 PM, Ted Dunning wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 23, 2014 at 2:23 PM, Bikas Saha wrote: >> >>> Community building is an organic process that grows on its own accord. >>> >> >> Really, I was going to run away for a bit, but my feeling is that this >> statement is amazingly naive about how communities are built. >> >> Community doesn't just happen. Community doesn't just grow of its own >> accord. Community grows when people make serious, explicit actions to help >> it grow, to bring in newcomers, to publish plans in many places *before* >> code is written. >> >> Building community is hard work that you have to intend to do. If you >> don't do the work, it won't just happen any more than code writes itself.\ > > +infinity to that! > > And in fact, I think this is the crux of this very discussion: as part > of the graduation criteria an incubating project needs to demonstrate > that they have understood and mastered that art. At the end of the > day the passing grade for incubating is based on that very criteria: > can a project demonstrate that if allowed to the TLP status it will > not let its community wane. > > Thanks, > Roman. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org > -- CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE NOTICE: This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to which it is addressed and may contain information that is confidential, privileged and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any printing, copying, dissemination, distribution, disclosure or forwarding of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and delete it from your system. 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