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From sebb <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache Celix as TLP
Date Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:32:40 GMT
On 16 June 2014 08:56, Alexander Broekhuis <> wrote:
> 2014-06-16 0:36 GMT+02:00 Joe Brockmeier <>:
>> On 06/13/2014 05:17 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote:
>> > Personally, I don't feel this is a big deal. The PMC size is appropriate
>> > given the overall project size. That said, I'd like to make two points:
>> >    * in general, for a smaller project like Celix I'd like to encourage
>> folks
>> >      to consider PMC == committers
>> That is the case with Celix, correct? Looking at the status page, I only
>> see "committers" and no PMC list.
> Yes, for the TLP we decided to make all committers PMC members.
>> I would note that the number of PMC members concerns me a bit since the
>> most recent release process took more than a month b/c there weren't
>> enough VOTEs. That is somewhat tempered by the fact that the project
>> seems to have added two PMC/committers since 1.0.0.
> During incubation PPMC members are not allowed to vote if they are not part
> of the IPMC.

That is not quite true; anyone is allowed to vote, even non-PPMC members.
However only IPMC member votes count towards a *release* vote.

> So even if all committers where also on the PPMC, that
> wouldn't have helped with the release. Wrt the release taking a long time,
> as mentioned by Marvin, Roman is a mentor, but most of his time is consumed
> by the Incubator itself. So we had to wait on the IPMC for a while (and as
> can be seen by this thread, "a while" can turn out to be days or even
> weeks).
>> Also of mild concern is that Celix missed its April report (it did
>> report in May).
> This was an unlucky combination of factors, vacations, schedules etc. As
> you mentioned, we picked it up immediately in May.
> What would be the best way to go now? Reading all graduation guidelines we
> are ready, but if these guidelines are not correct, I'd like to see
> statement about that. We are now left in the middle, without a clear guide
> where to go..
> --
> Met vriendelijke groet,
> Alexander Broekhuis

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