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From Marvin Humphrey <mar...@rectangular.com>
Subject Re: Do we still need release metrics as part of the report?
Date Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:50:57 GMT
On Wed, Jun 11, 2014 at 1:38 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org> wrote:

> first of all, let me start with, once again, expressing
> tremendous gratitude to our report managers: John
> and Marvin. Solid (and at times not quite appreciated)
> work!

Please add Joe Brockmeier to that list.  Thanks for joining us, Joe!

> One thing that I noticed in the report is that the detailed
> metrics around releases are missing. Do folks think
> there's a value in having them?

I started compiling those stats last year in order to make the case
for release reform.  It wasn't easy, but we got reform done last
November/December. So from my standpoint, the metrics have served
their purpose.

Now, when the IPMC fails to supply timely release votes (as it
inevitably will because the underlying problem is structural), I think
what we should do is shunt podlings towards the alternative voting
process much sooner than we have been.

> Collecting these metrics is probably the most time consuming
> part of the report preparation. I could see if that would be
> enough of a reason to drop them. Unless, of course,
> somebody feels strong the other way around (and hopefully
> is willing to suggest ways of automating the task).

I have no objection to including the stats if someone feels strongly
enough to compile them, but I think we should ensure we're channeling
enough energy into educating podlings being underserved by the IPMC
that there is a way for them to take control of their destiny.

PS: Roman, if Joe doesn't get around to adding a blurb about ODF
Toolkit's release using the alternate process before you submit the
report to the Board, please add one yourself. (See
<http://s.apache.org/q7>.)

Marvin Humphrey

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