From general-return-44461-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Thu Mar 27 00:34:35 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id B3FB310851 for ; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 00:34:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 71919 invoked by uid 500); 27 Mar 2014 00:34:19 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71737 invoked by uid 500); 27 Mar 2014 00:34:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 71729 invoked by uid 99); 27 Mar 2014 00:34:18 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 00:34:18 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=-0.7 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of sebbaz@gmail.com designates 209.85.128.181 as permitted sender) Received: from [209.85.128.181] (HELO mail-ve0-f181.google.com) (209.85.128.181) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Thu, 27 Mar 2014 00:34:13 +0000 Received: by mail-ve0-f181.google.com with SMTP id oy12so3346211veb.12 for ; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:33:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=VEL1plRZA75+1hJKMryh013WL3B5ruosxS7hOJXHx7Y=; b=0IY6h9ICtYmCjCtuvEYIuXeuw4QbHvBcpcMlgPFZFgj0tCFmynbH2mb23rAcHQ+3QM nOt09GBynXVpQimJfWVo26Vtuo4hPjkPZGxYWmVC1uoydZtkhOLOjMDpNzruXfXwz1iJ btUCBBnkYnmhiewfoxI4gFx+iwapKENY2hbEBBYuCEcLcbYArt9X36F7K7IyH/CzGRRg ErtqUO5KFSg7n+zqVo/nOYnt1BrkU2CT9QM5c8VTtR5lldit1h++cObd47EwGTCaphsN ve1vKoVMXQ5H6x+lH2FUot+RGuPDYONHKuBfipMC8DAFGZNHSY/U+FHiEQ17UbQD+hew +3UQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.58.37.232 with SMTP id b8mr9154vek.27.1395880432075; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:33:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.58.188.71 with HTTP; Wed, 26 Mar 2014 17:33:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2014 00:33:51 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Release of Apache Phoenix 3.0.0 incubating RC1 From: sebb To: general@incubator.apache.org Cc: James Taylor Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 26 March 2014 22:45, James Taylor wrote: > Marvin - > The one example in that email thread (airavata), has a bunch of copyright > notices in there NOTICE file: > https://github.com/apache/airavata/blob/master/modules/distribution/airavata-server/src/main/resources/NOTICE > > Is that correct or incorrect? Could well be correct; I've not checked the NOTICE files for the bundled code. > I think the reason this comes up a lot is because most of us are software > developers, not IP lawyers. My interpretation of the license howto is that > you include the copyright info, since those bits are bundled in our binary > distribution and their original NOTICE files are no longer present. Is that > the incorrect way to interpret this: > > Copyright notifications which have been > relocated from > source files (rather than removed) must be preserved in NOTICE. However, > elements such as the copyright notifications embedded within BSD and MIT > licenses need > not be > duplicated in NOTICE -- it suffices to leave those notices in their > original locations. Note the above. > When I read the Apache 2.0, BSD 2-clause, BSD 3-clause, and MIT licenses, > they all state this: > * Redistributions of source code must retain the above copyright > notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer. > > Doesn't that mean that the copyright notice is required? Yes, but "it suffices to leave those notices in their original locations." Copyright notices have been *relocated* from source files have to go into NOTICE. The copyright notice in the license has not been relocated, so it is still in the license text. > Again, I'm an > engineers, so I'm not sure how to interpret this language. I'm just trying > to get a release out. > Thanks, > James > > > > On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 3:04 PM, James Taylor wrote: > >> Thanks, Marvin. So remove the copyrights from NOTICE. Are they required >> anywhere then, as their not in the LICENSE file? >> >> >> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 2:57 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote: >> >>> On Wed, Mar 26, 2014 at 12:59 PM, James Taylor >>> wrote: >>> > Below is our updated NOTICE (which includes the copyright for the >>> bundled >>> > bits) and LICENSE (minus the standard Apache 2.0 part). >>> > >>> > Would appreciate a review. >>> >>> What follows is a superficial review of what I see in this email thread >>> -- I >>> have not checked the distribution to see whether or not bits are actually >>> bundled, nor have I checked the Phoenix mailing list archives. >>> >>> The proposed LICENSE file looks OK. It is not necessary to embed the >>> complete >>> text for MIT, 2-clause BSD and 3-clause BSD -- pointers suffice -- but it >>> is >>> not forbidden, either. >>> >>> The proposed NOTICE file contains a bunch of extraneous copyright notices. >>> Their presence in NOTICE constitutes a licensing documentation bug and >>> they >>> should be removed. See the licensing how-to, as well as this mail for >>> additional explanation: >>> >>> http://markmail.org/message/shez7ys3qnnewl4a >>> >>> Because the file is named "NOTICE", people tend to think it's for >>> anything >>> notice-ish. This is a pernicious misconception which keeps coming back >>> over and over like a weed... >>> >>> Best, >>> >>> Marvin Humphrey >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >>> >>> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org