From general-return-44370-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Mon Mar 17 19:54:24 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BEAF3106E8 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 19:54:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 54842 invoked by uid 500); 17 Mar 2014 19:54:04 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 54706 invoked by uid 500); 17 Mar 2014 19:54:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 54698 invoked by uid 99); 17 Mar 2014 19:54:03 -0000 Received: from nike.apache.org (HELO nike.apache.org) (192.87.106.230) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 19:54:03 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.3 required=5.0 tests=FRT_ADOBE2,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (nike.apache.org: domain of sebbaz@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) Received: from [74.125.82.172] (HELO mail-we0-f172.google.com) (74.125.82.172) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 19:53:57 +0000 Received: by mail-we0-f172.google.com with SMTP id t61so5085455wes.3 for ; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:53:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=Q3XSIfFrTeJtnjQJ1yQhsrtr++slcYw12hQiOoNbuVs=; b=XU9EkQvM3N7rlAegx2jLrk++RRJ2RmYj62ECCT5z01RdawKHd1aH/+Iay/10jZmqG3 JT6hsDiQcK3Vvn9Fn5rbPp7TuHsJPuhiEW2GYy9VytwS3wVWIXioOH5bOmplCYCeDcoL 57QgrAKgGT1F4G1yIyaurcJmjqLCfJ0Rds+jr/nSgB5o0tjtKQ8kHQwDgz+ksNTMzN5l l8jgadb+T/wDEHq9NDlJUUxjEbg2f/qzlTan9xfXqytbKMCunc+LFPWq60m5OVdnsqO6 Ubh24n9VCoxz6/HbghXYlhDkXA6fFCqgACiLjt8RFPEHuZg4biKcbXJ/m0oaIl+4T7uq TMUA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.7.130 with SMTP id j2mr11186801wia.25.1395086016326; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:53:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.86.198 with HTTP; Mon, 17 Mar 2014 12:53:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <531A2930.4040006@brondsema.net> <53209E05.5020609@rcbowen.com> <5322867A.8070801@brondsema.net> Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 19:53:36 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Allura from the Incubator From: sebb To: general@incubator.apache.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Virus-Checked: Checked by ClamAV on apache.org On 17 March 2014 18:23, Cory Johns wrote: > The ASF banner has been moved to the top right header, and will apply to > all pages in the Project neighborhood. (Currently that should cover > everything except user pages, but this is a temporary work-around until we > can get a proper ASF theme started.) That looks much better, thanks. > > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 1:06 PM, sebb wrote: > >> On 17 March 2014 16:53, Cory Johns wrote: >> > Alex, >> > >> > The project is Allura, which does power the developer tools at >> SourceForge, >> > and we're using an Allura instance on an Apache VM to "self-host" the >> > project. Since Allura is a project management platform, in the interests >> > of "eating our own dogfood," we obviously want to continue to use Allura >> to >> > manage the Allura project (and eventually open it up for other Apache >> > projects to use as well). >> > >> > There shouldn't be any SourceForge branding or references on the Apache >> > Allura instance, aside from the overall look and feel of the platform >> being >> > similar, since it is in fact the same platform (though SourceForge does >> > theme Allura to some degree, for example in the tools menu). >> >> Sourceforge pages are all clearly part of Sourceforge, as they all >> have the sourceforge banner across the top. >> The sourceforge branding is present on all SF projects. >> >> Can this be done for the Allura pages (except of course using an ASF >> banner) ? >> >> Probably it could be done for the entire instance, as presumably any >> sub-projects in it would have to be ASF projects or at least ASF >> content. >> >> > >> > On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:23 PM, Alex Harui wrote: >> > >> >> Since we're still piling on, I just went to >> >> https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/ >> >> and was pretty sure I had been redirected to SourceForge. It look and >> >> feel of that page looks like all of the other SourceForge projects like >> >> the Open@Adobe sites I have visited. I would think that: >> >> >> >> >> >> 1) Apache wouldn't want to have SourceForge branding on Apache >> >> infrastructure >> >> 2) SourceForge wouldn't want Apache to have SourceForge branding on >> Apache >> >> infrastructure. >> >> >> >> Are folks sure this is ok? >> >> >> >> -Alex >> >> >> >> On 3/17/14 9:09 AM, "sebb" wrote: >> >> >> >> >On 17 March 2014 15:17, Cory Johns wrote: >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:58 AM, sebb wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> On 15 March 2014 01:23, Justin Mclean >> >> wrote: >> >> >>> > >> >> >>> > While it's clear in the text and from the domain that the project >> is >> >> >>>an >> >> >>> ASF one, the subtitles "Forge software for hosting software >> projects" >> >> >>>and >> >> >>> "Brought to you by: brondsem, masterbunnyfu, rbowen, vansteenburgh" >> and >> >> >>> lack of links back to the ASF don't immediately give that >> impression. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> That's a good point. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> The board decided a long time ago that @author tags were deprecated >> in >> >> >>> code; partly because they get out of date, but mainly because the >> ASF >> >> >>> is a community, and code is a co-operative effort. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Seems to me the "Brought to you" sentence has similar problems, and >> >> >>> should be removed. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Well, I should note that the "Brought to you by" line is actually >> >> >> automatically generated from the project permissions, so there is >> little >> >> >> chance of it getting out of date. >> >> > >> >> >What about when people move on from Allura and no longer have >> permissions? >> >> >That does not necessarily mean that their contribution to the project >> >> >is no longer important. >> >> >Even if their code has been entirely replaced by later changes, they >> >> >still contributed to the software. >> >> > >> >> >> That said, it will be more useful as we >> >> >> move more of the Allura work (specifically, ticket activity) over >> from >> >> >>the >> >> >> old SourceForge location to the Apache hosted Allura instance, as is >> the >> >> >> plan. >> >> > >> >> >Same issue; the ASF is about community-developed code, not individual >> >> >coders. >> >> >Individuals come and go; the ASF hopeully will outlast us all! >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> Also I think (almost?) all other TLPs include the ASF feather which >> >> >>> links back to the main ASF page. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >> I have updated the page at https://forge-allura.apache.org/p/allura/to >> >> >> include the ASF feather logo which links to >> >> >> http://www.apache.org/foundation/ >> >> > >> >> >The ASF feather is normally present in the header, not just the home >> page. >> >> >Is it possible to add it there? >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >>> > It also quite hard for someone outside the project to see what is >> >> >>> happing on the mailing list due to the large amount at allure ticket >> >> >>> emails. Have you consider having a separate issues list? >> >> >>> >> >> >>> +1 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> This has been raised before and some things have been done to improve >> >> >>the >> >> >> tracker notifications on the mailing list (combining status change >> and >> >> >> comment notifications, fixing threading, etc) and it was decided at >> the >> >> >> time that it was reasonable to continue to include that traffic (with >> >> >> improvements) on the list. However, I believe the possibility of >> >> >>splitting >> >> >> it in the future was left open, should anyone continue to feel it >> was a >> >> >> problem. >> >> >> >> >> >> Still, this doesn't seem to me like something that should block >> >> >>graduation, >> >> >> as the tracker communications are indeed related to Allura >> development. >> >> > >> >> >Agreed the destination of tracker notifications is not a blocker to >> >> >graduation. >> >> >But could perhaps become a blocker to community growth, so needs to be >> >> >monitored. >> >> > >> >> >--------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> >> >For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >> >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org