From general-return-44382-apmail-incubator-general-archive=incubator.apache.org@incubator.apache.org Wed Mar 19 15:12:32 2014 Return-Path: X-Original-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@www.apache.org Received: from mail.apache.org (hermes.apache.org [140.211.11.3]) by minotaur.apache.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 28B6A10597 for ; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:12:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: (qmail 25321 invoked by uid 500); 19 Mar 2014 15:12:14 -0000 Delivered-To: apmail-incubator-general-archive@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 24636 invoked by uid 500); 19 Mar 2014 15:12:12 -0000 Mailing-List: contact general-help@incubator.apache.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Post: List-Id: Reply-To: general@incubator.apache.org Delivered-To: mailing list general@incubator.apache.org Received: (qmail 24616 invoked by uid 99); 19 Mar 2014 15:12:10 -0000 Received: from athena.apache.org (HELO athena.apache.org) (140.211.11.136) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:12:10 +0000 X-ASF-Spam-Status: No, hits=2.2 required=5.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,SPF_PASS X-Spam-Check-By: apache.org Received-SPF: pass (athena.apache.org: local policy includes SPF record at spf.trusted-forwarder.org) Received: from [212.82.97.144] (HELO nm37-vm3.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com) (212.82.97.144) by apache.org (qpsmtpd/0.29) with ESMTP; Wed, 19 Mar 2014 15:12:05 +0000 Received: from [212.82.98.126] by nm37.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2014 15:11:41 -0000 Received: from [212.82.98.73] by tm19.bullet.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2014 15:11:41 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.ir2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 19 Mar 2014 15:11:41 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 712648.47955.bm@omp1010.mail.ir2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 9836 invoked by uid 60001); 19 Mar 2014 15:05:01 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.de; s=s1024; t=1395241500; bh=rJ2MQvopafExNLdUb/himprxX32dFZoi3/+R8wqnOMI=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=N2WbJoMg14RL6jsVubGrPzVH7nJyiA10kv/GmCSh6OrEmIBri++dSALU7WU3M7ptx4bpvCAa1RX83j8Z+5lN1jQWkGoQ5o2B+s0lvZVG2TlqlORXbnbARnyBt3u3p0YIZNc5aZeiMaONS17xo5X6k+jIv0X4lI7SpU6qS2Vl644= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.de; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Rocket-MIMEInfo:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=QaTbZvknLoK9DFEwYXq+zfAkbJiBM+/les1QFUVc5xKEtT9Ife7VhbQux/+KymLLyhUiiVCl8qzy3uCPru+yB9uoyTlH8nkHZPMC7tfo1ldPewqsWMcPSXHhcKszERBTZd3cM/eLJZlrZBt9l4P3+Pygwkj1dA8b6zfgK04DKag=; X-YMail-OSG: 0q0j3MkVM1nZbVo2.UNN5TfeoOBWbQ_P4XTBDh7E5GRtRbE 8_mRLL7oNNPW4ex4We5oA6HwG3hOQ0lHsXwLULUxm43GYl3hB.sIbWt03Sct 6v9jg0QzTmZ0vGZmzxoHPfG_EyjhIQZFWWN9zI6jHNqMSaIPb5fhQ48aNbNE rrc8rrdpFRyk7qTHjvyZggrzOTAJSTgLD.LPvzwXQyS1xzF4y8DZBqQnzJl. 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Ament wrote:=0A>> Hi all,=0A>>=0A>> While = not specifically incubator related, was wondering if someone at=0A>> the in= cubator may provide me some insight.=0A>>=0A>> Right now, release votes can= not be veto'd.=A0 This seems like an=0A>> oversight IMHO.=A0 If a release c= andidate is visibly wrong (e.g. bad=0A>> licenses, or something else), sure= ly the release candidate can be=0A>> veto'd no?=0A>>=0A>=0A>This is correct= - release votes are not veto-able.=0A>In my opinion if you have a PMC whos= e members choose to ignore an=0A>obviously problematic release, especially = from a licensing standpoint,=0A>then you have much bigger problems with the= project. In my experience=0A>two factors come into play:=0A>1. The release= manager, even with a vote that technically passes, will=0A>not proceed wit= h a vote where there are obvious major problems,=0A>especially from a legal= perspective. They cancel the vote on their own=0A>accord. No one wants a m= ajorly flawed release shipping.=0A>2. Other PMC members heap on -1 votes if= it remains open for any=0A>length of time, effectively causing the vote to= fail to pass.=0A>=0A>If you can't get agreement on the obviously wrong can= didate, perhaps=0A>it's not as obvious why its wrong.=0A>=0A>--David=0A>=0A= >=0A>---------------------------------------------------------------------= =0A>To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org=0A>For= additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org=0A>=0A>=0A>= =0A> ---244888527-1414911445-1395241500=:98778--