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From Roman Shaposhnik <...@apache.org>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Graduation of Apache Allura from the Incubator
Date Thu, 13 Mar 2014 17:29:20 GMT
After looking at it for some time, my optimistic outlook
on the project would be +0 vote at best.

On the plus side, the community seems to be really active
and reasonably diverse. But if feels, like ASF has not yet
become a true home for the project.

Here's what I'm talking about: as a casual bystander who
was trying to view Allura as an ASF project -- I had difficult
time. First of all, I couldn't even get to the releases easily
enough: https://incubator.apache.org/allura/downloads.html
When I managed to get there the first thing that the README
instructed me to do is to go to https://forge-allura.apache.org/
What is that? How does it relate to the project?

In fact, from the dev list it feels like there may be yet another
canonical place for the Allura -- over at sourceforge:
   http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-allura-dev/201402.mbox/%3C52F80CA5.8060209%40brondsema.net%3E

I am not quite sure if penalizing the project with a failed graduation
vote is the right thing to do, but the state of the outwards facing
project assets doesn't inspire a feel of a strong ASF community in me

Just my 2c worth of feedback.

Thanks,
Roman.

On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 11:30 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <rvs@apache.org> wrote:
> I think what would help to make it into a stronger vote
> would be a  few more IPMC folks looking
> into the status of the Allura community.
>
> I can volunteer to take a closer look at the community today
> to shape up my own opinion and cast the vote appropriately.
>
> If there's anybody else on IPMC who can do that -- that'll
> be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Roman.
>
> On Wed, Mar 12, 2014 at 10:48 AM, Rich Bowen <rbowen@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>> So where do we go from here? Four +1 votes, but only one of them from
>> outside of the project membership. What does it signify? Did we pass?
>>
>> --Rich
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/07/2014 03:16 PM, Dave Brondsema wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> The Apache Allura podling has discussed and voted to graduate from the
>>> incubator.  We've made two releases, added several PPMC members, have been
>>> working with Infra to set up forge-allura.a.o, etc.  We would now like the
>>> IPMC
>>> to vote.
>>>
>>> Discuss thread: http://markmail.org/message/wdddve3kxceqvgj5
>>> Vote thread: http://markmail.org/message/4g54fcxwb4xxys5l
>>> Community results:
>>>
>>> +1
>>> Roberto Galoppini
>>> Wayne Witzel III
>>> Cory Johns
>>> Dave Brondsema (IPMC)
>>> Rich Bowen (IPMC)
>>> Simone Gatti
>>> Stefano Invernizzi
>>> Alvaro del Castillo
>>> Jim Jagielski (IPMC)
>>> Tim Van Steenburgh
>>>
>>> +0
>>> (none)
>>>
>>> -1
>>> (none)
>>>
>>>
>>> Please VOTE below on the graduation of Apache Allura from the
>>> Incubator. The graduation resolution is pasted below.
>>> The VOTE will be open for at least 72 hours:
>>>
>>> [ ] +1 Graduate Apache Allura from the Incubator.
>>> [ ] +0 Don't care.
>>> [ ] -1 Don't graduate Apache Allura from the Incubator because
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      X. Establish the Apache Allura Project
>>>
>>>         WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best
>>>         interests of the Foundation and consistent with the
>>>         Foundation's purpose to establish a Project Management
>>>         Committee charged with the creation and maintenance of
>>>         open-source software, for distribution at no charge to
>>>         the public, related to a software development infrastructure
>>>         platform commonly known as a "forge".
>>>
>>>         NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management
>>>         Committee (PMC), to be known as the "Apache Allura Project",
>>>         be and hereby is established pursuant to Bylaws of the
>>>         Foundation; and be it further
>>>
>>>         RESOLVED, that the Apache Allura Project be and hereby is
>>>         responsible for the creation and maintenance of software
>>>         related to a software development infrastructure platform
>>>         commonly known as a "forge"; and be it further
>>>
>>>         RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache Allura" be
>>>         and hereby is created, the person holding such office to
>>>         serve at the direction of the Board of Directors as the chair
>>>         of the Apache Allura Project, and to have primary responsibility
>>>         for management of the projects within the scope of
>>>         responsibility of the Apache Allura Project; and be it further
>>>
>>>         RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and
>>>         hereby are appointed to serve as the initial members of the
>>>         Apache Allura Project:
>>>
>>>           * Tim Van Steenburgh     <tvansteenburgh@apache.org>
>>>           * Wayne Witzel III       <wwitzel3@apache.org>
>>>           * Cory Johns             <johnsca@apache.org>
>>>           * Dave Brondsema         <brondsem@apache.org>
>>>           * Roberto Galoppini      <galoppini@apache.org>
>>>           * Alvaro del Castillo    <acs@apache.org>
>>>           * Stefano Invernizzi     <stefano.invernizzi@apache.org>
>>>           * Simone Gatti           <simonegatti@apache.org>
>>>           * Jim Jagielski          <jim@apache.org>
>>>
>>>         NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Dave Brondsema
>>>         be appointed to the office of Vice President, Apache Allura, to
>>>         serve in accordance with and subject to the direction of the
>>>         Board of Directors and the Bylaws of the Foundation until
>>>         death, resignation, retirement, removal or disqualification,
>>>         or until a successor is appointed; and be it further
>>>
>>>         RESOLVED, that the initial Apache Allura PMC be and hereby is
>>>         tasked with the creation of a set of bylaws intended to
>>>         encourage open development and increased participation in the
>>>         Apache Allura Project; and be it further
>>>
>>>         RESOLVED, that the Apache Allura Project be and hereby
>>>         is tasked with the migration and rationalization of the Apache
>>>         Incubator Allura podling; and be it further
>>>
>>>         RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache
>>>         Incubator Allura podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator
>>>         Project are hereafter discharged.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com - @rbowen
>> http://apachecon.com/ - @apachecon
>>
>>
>>
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