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From Upayavira ...@odoko.co.uk>
Subject Re: Cultivating Outstanding IP Stewards
Date Sun, 17 Nov 2013 18:38:13 GMT


On Sun, Nov 17, 2013, at 03:41 PM, Alex Harui wrote:
> 
> 
> On 11/17/13 3:17 AM, "Upayavira" <uv@odoko.co.uk> wrote:
> 
> >
> >With a two tier model - with PPMC membership granting voting rights on
> >podling releases, then a podling would start with just mentors on its
> >PPMC. If you clearly knew what you were doing, you'd get voted onto the
> >PPMC pretty quickly, and thus you'd be able to vote on your releases.
> My concerns with this is that:
> 1) I think there is more to PPMC membership than just voting on releases.
> I think the first major votes for Apache Flex was what the project icon
> was going to be, and voting in new committers.
> 2) I thought the main thrust of this thread is about what to do when
> mentors get too busy.  If they are too busy then either they won't grant
> worthy podling newbies the right to cast binding votes on releases, or
> they will do so too hastily.  All I'm suggesting is that there is an
> existing list of qualified folks that is much larger than the IPMC to
> help
> back up busy mentors and allow a podling to get a release out.  If you
> think that "all TLP PMC members" is too wide a net, the backup could also
> just be "any ASF member".

Alex,

First, I'll say I like the way you are thinking - it feels fresh.

For me, as a mentor, I'd see voting someone else in to vote on releases
would be something of a "way out", and would take less mental effort
than reviewing a release vote (a task that I personally find onerous).

I guess also my theory is that mentorship generally remains a
responsibility for too long. If a mentor could start to shed some of
their responsibility quicker, by voting in others early on, at a point
at which they are still active, perhaps we would avoid the point at
which mentors are bored reviewing another release, or have changed jobs
and don't have time, or... Make it possible for mentors to do useful
stuff as early on in the life of a podling as possible.

Also, any ASF member can ask to join the Incubator PMC. So, "any ASF
member" can technically review any vote, simply by sending an email to
the Incubator PMC private list - so we have that situation already. I'd
have no issue with members of other PMCs volunteering with the incubator
and the incubator PMC also. Again, it should be relatively easy for them
to join. So again, don't we more or less have that already?

Upayavira

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