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From Lieven Govaerts <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 25 Sep 2013 07:54:51 GMT

note that one of the WSO2 engineers has already started participating
on the usergrid-dev list with some (small) patches.

So relax a bit, and give people some time to read the existing
docs/code and start interacting with the existing community.
Continuing to escalate this topic is not going to help the Usergrid
project and community, at least not on its way to asf incubation.

A lot of this tension could have been avoided if the Usergrid
community was explained up front that interested developers can ask to
join a future podling as initial committers, and that the incubator
promotes this as 'the right thing to do' (which I didn''t know until
now). I honestly think the WSO2 guys want to put their shoulders under
this proposal and following common Incubator practice they did that by
asking the proposer to be added as initial committers.

Maybe I'm naive here, but I rather follow my positive interpretation
of what happened and give this a chance, then to be negative about it
and risk that people will not bother to give this project & community
a try altogether.


On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 9:05 AM, Alex Karasulu <> wrote:
> Stop talking and start contributing.
> Show your commitment by contributing.
> Show the present community who has worked on it for 2 years that you
> understand their software and care enough to spend the time applying it.
> This way when if your CEO says get out, you'll be like "GTFO I value and I
> invested my time in it". That's different than entering the project with
> nothing to lose.
> Don't expect people to just drink the cool aid here.
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Dulitha Wijewantha <>wrote:
>> The question here is not CEO's involvement. But rather the way everything
>> reacted. Nobody likes to be accused for doing good things right? I am truly
>> interested about the project but I do fear what will happen according to
>> the mails sent by initial committers.. Also I didn't add my name to the
>> wiki - I asked the *previous champion* of the project to add me to the
>> initial committer list.
>> You guys blame many people from one company coming in and then says that
>> they shouldn't backdown. It's contradiction on it's own. So let's see
>> things as it is -
>> # First I was interested in the User-grid project coming under the apache
>> umbrella
>> # I wanted to contribute and help the project and mold it into a better one
>> # I asked the *previous champion* to add us to the initial committer list
>> # I get accused as *pilling* (this partly accuse WSO2 as well)
>> # Sanjiva ask us not get involved in the project since the *current
>> community* isn't welcoming
>> # I withdraw my committer requests since the *current community* is
>> accusing us for pilling
>> *Minions aren't obliging*. I personally feel disrespected in the way people
>> accuse each other for having underlying agendas. I was asking to contribute
>> not *kill* the project. If we have a misunderstanding we should clear it
>> out without disrespecting each other.
>> PS: Also any sane person who looked at all the threads will never feel like
>> contributing if they are been accused of. I personally get the feeling that
>> apigee has coveted mission in bringing User-grid to Apache and not having
>> other's involved in it. But hey all this can be a misunderstanding.
>> Cheers
> --
> Best Regards,
> -- Alex

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