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From Alex Karasulu <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 25 Sep 2013 00:24:11 GMT
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:57 AM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:

> On Sep 24, 2013, at 6:58 PM, Alex Karasulu <> wrote:
> >
> > Put yourself in their shoes for a second? It's a big leap of faith for
> some
> > projects to come and propose for incubation. You just scared the bejesus
> > out of these guys even if they wanted to work with you.
> >
> You have also made it clear that the proposed podling will
> be incredibly careful about who and when they give karma and
> merit to, potentially scaring off a huge number of potential
> committers, regardless of affiliation, who have likely
> gotten the impression that the current committer list
> consider themselves unimpeachable and a self-sustaining
> oligarchy.
That's a big leap and not fair to presume unless you've watched this
community in action under incubation.

Are they traumatized by this whole mess? Perhaps, but if they let it
stigmatize them into not letting any including WSO2 employees rightfully
earn their place as committers then they have a problem and should not be

> I, for one, did not see any "piling on", certainly nothing
> close to the levels that prompted that discussion from years
> ago nor that prompted Roy's post, at the start of all this.
> And FWIW, just because Roy expresses an opinion, it does not
> make it Biblical; Not that I don't agree with most of what Roy's
> comment indicates, but also starting off a podling with
> a heavy-handed control also hamstrings the podling just
> as badly.
How can you be sure they're going to have heavy-handed control tactics in

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