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From Joseph Schaefer <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Usergrid BaaS Stack for Apache Incubator
Date Wed, 25 Sep 2013 04:39:09 GMT
Honestly the point that keeps getting missed here is
that everything we do at Apache proceeds at a notoriously
slow pace so people can adjust accordingly.  All things
considered, would it be better if Sanjiva and colleagues
ASKED to be included in the proposal instead of just adding
themselves in an ad hoc fashion?  In this case, perhaps so,
but not because this is settled law, but because there is
significant skepticism and doubt that really doesn't belong
in a place like Apache.  Too much time is being wasted on
appearances and lip service is being paid to folks with
well-established levels of trust and expertise on how to
collaborate and ultimately govern here.

99% of the time attracting the talent of existing committers
is a welcome event, even when one of them is a CEO who is pushing
a few people along.  This is no big deal folks, and shouldn't be
treated like one.  Competing corps collaborate every day here on a
mutually successful basis, and I fully expect that to continue to
be the case with this polling no matter what process is used to
setup the initial committer list.

On Sep 24, 2013, at 11:51 PM, Niranjan Karunanandham <> wrote:

> I was actually looking forward to contributing for this project where ever
> possible but I think people have misunderstood our intentions. As requested
> by my CEO, I would like to withdraw my committer request.
> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 7:36 AM, Dulitha Wijewantha <>wrote:
>> +1 for the Dave Fisher's example. I believe most of the people have
>> misunderstood our intentions. We were offering to help the project to grow
>> and graduate faster. I am withdrawing my committer request as our CEO asked
>> too. But honestly speaking - if you guys are *scared* of the *community*
>> and what the *community* is - I don't believe you shouldn't mention the
>> below words in the proposal -
>> *Although we are aware of the strength of the Apache brand, we are
>> primarily
>> *
>> *interested in the transforming power of the Apache Way to help guide*
>> *Usergrid towards a more diversified and meritocratic community*
>> In my humble opinion - the above line should not be a part of the proposal
>> since the Apache way has always been to gather a community around the
>> proposal who have shown interest towards the idea.
>> Cheers
>> On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:50 AM, Dave Fisher <>
>> wrote:
>>> On Sep 24, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>>> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Alex Karasulu <>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> ...So fill the bus with anybody who volunteers? That does not sound
>>>>> meritocratic....
>>>> It's been like that for a while in the Incubator, people who sign up
>>>> as initial committers for a podling usually don't have to demonstrate
>>>> any merit.
>>>> When the time comes to graduate the podling, it's perfectly fine to
>>>> ask it to prune its list of committers and PMC members in order to
>>>> keep only people who have demonstrated their committment during
>>>> incubation.
>>> When was brought to the Incubator there was open
>>> enrollment. There were over 70 Initial Committers. I had no experience
>> with
>>> OpenOffice. I did have an understanding of the ASF. I could help and I
>> did.
>>> It was tough to have such a large list many were people
>> who
>>> never really adapted to the ASF. We had all these people on the PPMC.
>> When
>>> graduation time came we managed to reduce the PMC to 25. We left the
>>> Initial Committers connected. It hasn't really been a problem.
>>> My point is that without the Initial Committer free for all I think that
>>> AOO would not be as successful as now.
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
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