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From "Christian Grobmeier" <grobme...@gmail.com>
Subject Re: [VOTE] : Release Apache Sentry 1.2.0 incubating (rc0)
Date Tue, 24 Sep 2013 09:10:54 GMT
Hi Shreepadma,

I am withdrawing my -1 as this has been resolved.

Please note, I believe this name will ask for trouble, esp with 
"getsentry.com". I also believe you should discuss this in your project 
if you really want to take on the risk of this name prior graduation.

Thanks,
Christian

On 24 Sep 2013, at 0:30, Shreepadma Venugopalan wrote:

> Hi Christain,
>
> Name search JIRA for Sentry has been resolved. Are you OK with 
> changing
> your vote?
>
> Cheers,
> Shreepadma
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:59 AM, Christian Grobmeier
> <grobmeier@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Shreepadma Venugopalan schrieb:
>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Christian Grobmeier
>>> <grobmeier@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>> Shreepadma Venugopalan schrieb:
>>>>> Per this document: 
>>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html,
>>>> its
>>>>> required to start the name search process before we release any
>> packages.
>>>>> It doesn't mention the name has to be cleared before a release.
>>>> OK, maybe it's no phrased well. But surely you understand why the 
>>>> name
>>>> must be cleared before any package is released?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, the way the rule reads today is the search process has to 
>>> start
>>> before a release can happen. If the name has to be cleared before a
>>> release, it needs to be explicitly stated that way.
>>
>> On the end of the document one can read:
>>
>> "The V.P. Branding will finally approve your request.
>>
>> Important: you must wait until your trademark has been approved. 
>> There
>> is no lazy consensus.
>>
>> Once the name is approved, you can resolve the JIRA issue and work 
>> with
>> your new trademark. Incubator Podlings: please don't forget to update
>> your Incubator status page.
>> "
>>
>> It says, you can only work with your trademark when VP has approved 
>> the
>> mark. For me this includes a release.
>>
>> You maybe can guess that it can cause trouble when you work with a 
>> brand
>> with has not checked. Only recently we had to rename a subproject of
>> project because the brand was not checked accordingly.
>>
>> We can either discuss about grammar or spelling issues, which this
>> document surely has (they are mostly my fault). Or we can simply try 
>> to
>> understand what problems it solves and act like that.
>>
>> For me trademarks clearance are as important as a clean IP. If I were
>> you, I would keep this vote running, but make the outcome pending to 
>> the
>> response.
>>
>> Now, as Jira is available to me again I can see there a couple of
>> (software) projects using the name Sentry already. Like for example:
>> getsentry.com
>>
>> Given the high number of other which use the name (346 search results 
>> on
>> github) I have concerns we will run into a trademark conflict here 
>> and
>> insist you wait until trademarks@ has approved your mark.
>>
>> + cc Trademarks
>>
>> Cheers
>> Christain
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>> We have already started a name search JIRA for Apache Sentry. 
>>>>> Here's
>> the
>>>>> name search JIRA for Apache Sentry:
>>>>> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/PODLINGNAMESEARCH-38
>>>> OK, then lets wait until this has been closed.
>>>>
>>>>> The project status page
>>>>> (http://incubator.apache.org/**projects/sentry.html<
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sentry.html>)
>>>>> has
>>>>> also been updated to reflect it.
>>>> I can't see a note. Maybe its not yet published?
>>>>
>>>>> I think the voting can continue on this RC.
>>>> I disagree. First clear the name, then release.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway I will propose a change on the process document to make the
>>>> intention more clear.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers.
>>> Shreepadma
>>>
>>>
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> Shreepadma
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 6:41 AM, Christian Grobmeier <
>>>> grobmeier@gmail.com>wrote:
>>>>>> -1 (binding).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As per this document:
>>>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/**projects/sentry.html<
>>>> http://incubator.apache.org/projects/sentry.html>
>>>>>> the trademark process has not been resolved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is required to clear the name before a product is published:
>>>>>> http://www.apache.org/**foundation/marks/naming.html<
>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/naming.html>
>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 22 Sep 2013, at 7:02, Shreepadma Venugopalan wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the first incubator release of Apache Sentry, version
>>>>>>> 1.2.0-incubating.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It fixes the following issues: http://s.apache.org/VlU
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Source files : 
>>>>>>> http://people.apache.org/~**shreepadma/sentry-1.2.0/<
>>>> http://people.apache.org/~shreepadma/sentry-1.2.0/>
>>>>>>> Tag to be voted on (rc0):
>>>>>>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/**repos/asf/incubator-sentry/**
>>>>>>> repo?p=incubator-sentry.git;a=**log;h=refs/tags/release-1.2.0-**rc0<
>>>>
>> https://git-wip-us.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator-sentry/repo?p=incubator-sentry.git;a=log;h=refs/tags/release-1.2.0-rc0
>>>>>>> Sentry's KEYS containing the PGP key we used to sign the 
>>>>>>> release:
>>>>>>> https://people.apache.org/**keys/group/sentry.asc<
>>>> https://people.apache.org/keys/group/sentry.asc>
>>>>>>> Note that this is a source only release and we are voting on
the
>> source
>>>>>>> (tag).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A vote on releasing this package has already passed in Apache

>>>>>>> Sentry
>>>>>>> PPMC[1] including  +1 votes from our IPMC mentors (Patrick Hunt

>>>>>>> and
>>>> Arvind
>>>>>>> Prabhakar).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vote will be open for 72 hours.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [ ] +1 approve
>>>>>>> [ ] +0 no opinion
>>>>>>> [ ] -1 disapprove (and reason why)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Shreepadma
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1] -
>>>>>>> http://markmail.org/search/?q=**sentry%20vote%20release#query:**
>>>>>>>
>> sentry%20vote%20release+page:**1+mid:sqrwevgsxakqatqk+state:**results<
>>>>
>> http://markmail.org/search/?q=sentry%20vote%20release#query:sentry%20vote%20release+page:1+mid:sqrwevgsxakqatqk+state:results
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