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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Aurora for Incubation
Date Wed, 28 Aug 2013 16:37:20 GMT
On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 4:36 PM, Dave Lester <> wrote:
> We recommended an aurora-user list because Aurora is currently
> production-ready and used by Twitter. We anticipate that once we have an
> initial release in the Incubator, it will be straightforward to for current
> Mesos users to begin using Aurora. Development discussion would still made
> on aurora-dev. How does that sound?

See <>.

For small-ish projects, we recommend that user traffic be shunted onto the dev
list at first because we have observed that great new contributors tend to
emerge from the pool of highly engaged users.  You want to foster
conversations which flow seemlessly from "how do I do this" to "how do I
implement this" to "welcome new committer so-and-so".  Breaking out a separate
user@ list is not generally desirable until the project has hit critical mass
and dev list traffic is high.

Community growth is a difficult problem that is central to the Apache mission,
and it will be an important challenge for the proposed Aurora podling since
all the initial contributors work for the same company (Twitter).  It will be
tempting to make architectural decisions in private for the sake of
efficiency, but doing so will stunt the project's growth.  It's important to
hold project discussions out in the open where as many people as possible can
witness them and potentially jump in.

The issues/notifications/ci list is a different story.  Making the dev list a
good read with a high signal-to-noise ratio is a good recruitment tactic.
There are often people who are interested in high-level development
conversations and user discussions but who get annoyed by CI spam and issue
tracker trivialities.

In my opinion, it would be fruitful to start off with just dev@, private@ and
commits@ lists; discuss adding a notifications@ list as one of the first
community decisions you make on your dev@ list; and perhaps add a user@ list
later when the time is ripe.  However, all of these decisions are ultimately
up to the community; us Incubator denizens are just providing the best
guidance we can based on what seems to have worked in the past.

Marvin Humphrey

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