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From Alan Cabrera <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman
Date Wed, 19 Jun 2013 16:41:12 GMT
I would prefer to use well known names for well known roles.  Ombudsman is a roll that's been
around for quite a while and the person filling that role for the ASF will be doing roughly
the same thing as ombudsman in other organizations.

With that said, I will agree that if everything is running fine, the ombudsman is pretty much
watching Oprah re-runs.  Hopefully we will all work hard so this person will have the time
to catch up.  ;)

However, I will point out that my proposal has come about from concrete personal experience
and the experiences that others have personally related to me.  I will also point out that
it seems to me that those who are opposed or, at best, lukewarm to the idea are well established
and well connected individuals in the ASF sphere.


On Jun 18, 2013, at 10:50 PM, Alexei Fedotov <> wrote:

> Hello,
> Why one would need an additional alias? Existing questions are sent to
> general@ or dev@community or (please add here), and one in the superhero
> role should timely answer them or facilitate an answer. [Complex question]
> tag in the subject line should be sufficient, or just no answer to some
> mail for 72 hours.
> If titles are important, we can simply assign nice titles to guys who
> answer to 10 of these complex issues.
> Maybe some discussion on facilitation means can be useful to avoid calling
> the guy impolite.
> I have one particular problem to deal with. New projects which come outside
> of Apache, cannot find Apache champion. The request is too wide to reach
> someones ear. One possibe way to address it is to assign an eco-champion to
> the new project who performs the project evaluation. The champion comes
> from the Apache project of the same area. Sometimes we may end up with
> community merges by going this way.
> 19.06.2013 3:03 пользователь "Ross Gardler" <>
> написал:
>> On 18 June 2013 23:53, Joe Schaefer <> wrote:
>>> Why so much reluctance to just honor the request such as it is
>>> instead of looking for different ways of modifying it to taste?
>> ISSUE 03 at work I think - perhaps it is my fault for thinking aloud
>> about how the role might also help solve a different problem from the
>> one it was originally designed to solve. Maybe I set the wrong tone
>> for discussion. Lets forget that.
>> Please just go ahead and do it the way you are suggesting. There is no
>> harm. The worst that can happen is someone sends an email to the alias
>> and there is no response. The next worst is that nobody ever uses it.
>> In either case we will eventually reverse this step.
>> And please also go ahead with your "bill of rights" - I'll comment in
>> that thread in a moment.
>> Ross
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