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From Greg Stein <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Accept Stratos proposal as an incubating project
Date Mon, 17 Jun 2013 07:19:45 GMT
On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 12:27 AM, Marvin Humphrey
<> wrote:
> It's inconceivable to me that this will have an ounce of impact on either
> someone of Sanjiva's accomplishments or a future podling with the momentum of
> Stratos, but to ensure that my positive assessment is communicated
> unequivocally to one and all in the VOTE tally as it was during the PROPOSAL
> thread, I hereby change the value of my vote from -0 to +0.99999.

I never worried about the "vote impact", and your change was not requested.

My concern was that your pedantism caused two *highly* qualified (and
IMO, unimpeachable) people to issue a mea culpa in response to your
email. That was unjustified, and highly unnecessary when looking at
the actual edit that was performed.

Sure, I could also say "Ross/Sanjiva: grow a pair. Don't apologize."
But I like those guys, so I never said that ;-)

I dislike that the atmosphere puts them into a position where they
feel a need to apologize. Personally speaking, it feels uncooperative
and rules-based rather than "what can we do, to get our goals

It felt like the *goal* was lost, in favor of "oh, boo hoo, a small
[favorable] edit was made".

IMO, the proper response would be "+1, great proposal. (as an aside,
all: please do not edit once voting is underway)". ... And step back
and consider the other end of the spectrum: say the proposal was
edited several times during the voting process. The IPMC is
highly-qualified to say "meh. nothing substantive. let's run with it."
... or they could "holy crap. everything changed. we need to run
another vote."

I stand behind Sanjiva and what he/WSO2 are doing. I don't like seeing
him put into a position where he does the Right Thing, then feels a
need to apologize for it. I'd like to see us move past that.


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