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From Marvin Humphrey <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] Accept Stratos as an Apache Incubation Project
Date Fri, 14 Jun 2013 16:23:51 GMT
On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 5:45 AM, Jim Jagielski <> wrote:
> The Probationary TLP opens us up to more risk for what I can see as no real
> benefit or reduction in effort or resources.

I expect the experiment to yield a specific benefit to Stratos: a more
intensive incubation experience and a more cultured, better educated PMC on

Making it possible to reward contributors who have demonstrated a thorough
understanding of the Apache Way *during incubation*, *as individuals*, will
motivate people to learn the Incubator curriculum.  These standout individuals
will subsequently be motivated to teach their peers by their strong attachment
to their project and desire to see it succeed, working alongside IPMC Mentors
too bootstrap additional individual contributors in the Apache Way one-by-one.
Ideally, the habits they acquire will persist beyond graduation when IPMC
members peel away, leaving the top level project with an elevated level of
expertise on average when compared with a podling that goes through our
"standard" incubation process.

These topics were discussed in the "Mentoring individuals as well as projects"

> So I am +1 for Stratos as a regular podling, but -1 (NOT
> a veto) as a probationary TLP (since I am -1 for the
> concept in general).

Like Ross, I also agree with many of your critiques and am not enamored of
every detail in the wiki.  However, I accept that my foresight is imperfect
and that my skepticism may not be warranted in some cases.  I'm OK with
a bit of wildness because Stratos seems likely to succeed, because there are
so many experienced people to catch problems and limit potential damage, and
because it's being run as an experiment rather than baked in permanently.

Marvin Humphrey

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