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From Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman
Date Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:15:40 GMT
FWIW I support the proposal, just pointing out why this idea hasn't gained traction over the
years.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:48 PM, "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" <chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov>
wrote:

> +1, the chair is already the Ombudsman. Or should be at least.
> No need for duplication and more overhead (and confusion).
> 
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> Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
> Senior Computer Scientist
> NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
> Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
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> University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Schaefer <joe_schaefer@yahoo.com>
> Reply-To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Date: Saturday, June 15, 2013 10:52 AM
> To: "general@incubator.apache.org" <general@incubator.apache.org>
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman
> 
>> This is a suggestion that has come up in the past, and the typical
>> counter-argument is that this is something the chair needs to provide
>> themselves.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 15, 2013, at 1:18 PM, Ross Gardler <rgardler@opendirective.com>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sent from a mobile device, please excuse mistakes and brevity
>>> On 15 Jun 2013 16:53, "Alan Cabrera" <adc@toolazydogs.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Problem: podlings are confused on where to go when there's a problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Cause: we seem to collect/handle/organize problems in an ad hoc manner
>>> and sometimes mentors are the problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Solution: we create an elected Incubator Ombudsman.
>>> 
>>> From now on I'm only going to look at solutions in the context of the
>>> issues on the wiki page. If a proposal doesn't apply to one or more
>>> issues
>>> I'm not interested.
>>> 
>>> In this case...
>>> 
>>> The only problem that would need an ombudsmen is ISSUE 01 (inactive
>>> mentors). Mentors should always know where to go to solve a problem (we
>>> have specialist committees for pretty much every issue that will
>>> arise). If
>>> mentors are inactive then ISSUE 01 is in play.
>>> 
>>> The current place to go is the IPMC. At this point ISSUE 03 may well
>>> come
>>> into play.
>>> 
>>> The idea of an Ombudsman overlaps with my earlier proposal for a
>>> psuedo-board in the IPMC. Its also similar to both suggested solutions
>>> for
>>> ISSUE 03 in the wiki.
>>> 
>>> For these reasons I suggest the Ombudsmen proposal has merit.
>>> 
>>> I also suggest that this ombudsmen could be the organisation responsible
>>> for acting if a podling (or a pTLP, if the experiment shows merit in
>>> this
>>> model) is failing.
>>> 
>>> As always the details needs to be ironed out but since the proposal
>>> directly addresses ISSUE 03 I would like to see it explored. I
>>> especially
>>> like that it complements my pTLP experiment which is designed to address
>>> ISSUE 01 (but clearly your proposal is worth exploring even without that
>>> potential advantage).
>>> 
>>> Ross
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Alan
>>>> 
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