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From Joseph Schaefer <>
Subject Re: [PROPOSAL] Creation of the Incubator Ombudsman
Date Sat, 15 Jun 2013 19:38:49 GMT
This argument reminds me of the current debate in Congress about whether or not military sex
offense reporting should remain within the chain of command. Proponents argue that it's hard
to hold commanders accountable if they aren't empowered to act; adversaries say victims are
afraid to report while retribution remains possible.

I don't mean to say we have problems of a similar magnitude here, just to recognize the fault
lines of this debate are likely to fall along these differences in priorities.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2013, at 3:23 PM, Marvin Humphrey <> wrote:

> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 8:52 AM, Alan Cabrera <> wrote:
>> Problem: podlings are confused on where to go when there's a problem.
>> Cause: we seem to collect/handle/organize problems in an ad hoc manner  and
>> sometimes mentors are the problem.
>> Solution: we create an elected Incubator Ombudsman.
> This is in fact one of the central responsibilities of any PMC chair at
> Apache, including the IPMC chair.
>    Remember that, as in any meeting, the chair is a facilitator and their
>    role within the PMC is to ensure that everyone has a chance to be heard
>    and to enable meetings to flow smoothly. There is no concept of "leader"
>    in the Apache way.
> The title of "Vice President" is misleading, as the chair is much more of an
> ombudsman than a decision maker.
> If there is confusion, it may be worthwhile to emphasize the ombudsman aspect
> of the chair position.
> Marvin Humphrey
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