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From "Mattmann, Chris A (398J)" <>
Subject Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC
Date Mon, 06 May 2013 05:53:35 GMT
Hey Guys,

Sorry but what are we discussing that's different from formalizing
the role of the Champion, this thread originally started by Bertrand,
and seconded by me and numerous others [1]?


Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Senior Computer Scientist
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 171-266B, Mailstop: 171-246
Adjunct Assistant Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA

-----Original Message-----
From: Upayavira <>
Reply-To: "" <>
Date: Sunday, May 5, 2013 10:43 PM
To: "" <>
Subject: Re: [META DISCUSS] talking about the overall state of this PMC

>Having read your wiki post, I find it a simple, considered upping of the
>game, which I think would be worth the effort of trying, especially as
>the mini-reports don't get to the board unless there are issues. There
>really could do with being a little more 'cost' to being a podling, or a
>mentor for that matter, and this proposal moves gently in that
>If folks approve, we'll need to seek champions for all existing
>podlings, and decide what to do about those for which we cannot identify
>On Mon, May 6, 2013, at 02:56 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> Discussions on Ross' and Chris' proposals ground to a halt.
>> In my view, there are real issues that drove those discussions, even if
>> those discussions drove some of us to distraction.
>> A bit before the wiki crashed, I wrote:
>> The TL;DR version of this is:
>> 1: let's take Champions seriously as a role
>> 2: let's ask for a minimal heartbeat from every podling every month
>> As the person responsible for filing the report, it seems to me that I
>> could, with some justification,  ask the Champions and mentors to please
>> comply with these ideas, with the goal of having a more accurate picture
>> to
>> present. However, I'd rather seek a consensus for these, or something
>> like
>> them, as a formal procedure.
>> Note that I labelled this thread [META DISCUSS]. I invite people with
>> views
>> on these ideas to start a thread or threads as appropriate. I would ask
>> people, as a favor to me and others, not to use these ideas as a
>> launchpad
>> 'let's radically restructure instead.' These will reach a consensus or
>> not,
>> and other proposals will reach a consensus or not, but I submit that it
>> is
>> easier on us all to deal with them one-at-a-time.
>> --benson
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