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From Alan Gates <>
Subject Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] HCatalog to Graduate and become part of Apache Hive
Date Wed, 20 Feb 2013 18:21:36 GMT
The project was named Howl when it was proposed, so the proposal is at


On Feb 20, 2013, at 2:31 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> I'm brought to this thread byt he board report but my response here is as
> an IPMC member. My comment on the board report is quite different, it is
> "I've read the thread on general@ and feel that the IPMC should make a
> clear recommendation to the board in this and similar cases. The IPMC
> discussion seems to be healthy and productive."
> So, as a an IPMC member I have a few open questions [inline]...
> On 11 February 2013 18:20, Alan Gates <> wrote:
> Also, it has been agreed that each HCatalog committer will be provided with
>> a mentor from the Hive community to help him/her learn the rest of Hive,
>> with the goal of becoming a committer on Hive within six months.  The
>> submodule state is transitionary, not an end point.
> Why was this"mentoring" not done as part of the incubation process since
> building the right community structure for graduation (along with IP
> clearance) is the main role of the incubation process? Was Hive the
> sponsoring project for this proposal? If not why not?
> I ask these questions because HCatlog is making a very strong case that any
> other option for graduation is not appropriate. At the same time we are
> being told by the Hive PMC that the mentoring of the committers is
> incomplete since they have insufficient merit within Hive to be trusted to
> be full members of that project.
> it also concerns me that in this same month the IPMC board report says "The
> main concern of the incubator continues to be the quality and reliability
> of supervision... The supply of mentoring seems, still, to exceed demand."
> Why is it that the Hive PMC feels it is able to provide "mentoring" within
> their own PMC through the creation of what some people see as
> an umbrella project, but not here in the IPMC?
> Finally, why can't I find the HCatalog proposal in my mail client, markmail
> or the wiki (not had coffee yet, feel free to call me [insert adjective])
> Ross

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