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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: [VOTE] Apache cTAKES 3.0.0-incubating RC5 release
Date Fri, 25 Jan 2013 12:13:12 GMT
On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
<> wrote:
> Hi Benson,
> On 1/24/13 7:23 PM, "Benson Margulies" <> wrote:
>>It's unfortunate to have this conversation in parallel here and on
>>Also, this thread is a combo of the discussion of ordinary
>>jars-of-classes (where I'd forgotten the policy) and the much more
>>tangled question of models, which is what the JIRA is wrestling with.
>>To answer Ted, I think that Roy might write something like:
>>"It's not the mission of the ASF to create complete,
>>end-user-friendly, software products. It's our mission to create open
>>source code. If someone else wants to build up an end-user-friendly
>>aggregation of ASF code and models from bombs of whatever, that's
>>great, and we encourage them."
> What about Apache OpenOffice?

I asked this question about Open Office, and I got, more or less, what
I typed in above. I was puzzled, but there you have it. As I recall,
Roy made a remark like 'our real users are people who will take the
source of Open Office ...'.

> I don't think the above statement is correct or true at all. Apache
> doesn't care about "end user friendly", "complete", or whatever words like
> that. Apache is about building open source software communities. If they
> are eating the dog food, be it filet mignon, or tuna-based, they are
> eating the dog food and the Apache I know is happy to have their community
> here.

Chris, the idea is not that anyone is opposed to any of these things.
The idea is that the legal framework creates some limitations on what
Foundation projects can produce, and in some cases than means that the
final assembly into a useful, complete, package, must be elsewhere.

Please don't mistake me. I'm not *happy* about this state of affairs.
However, I've done my best to engage with board members and such about
the dilemma between users who expect complete binary solutions and the
principles of 'what is source', and there was no movement. Please feel
free to try it, yourself. Essentially, what's wanted here is another
view of 'category A/B/X' that accomodates data derived in
complex/difficult/secret ways.

> Cheers,
> Chris
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