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From "Chen, Pei" <>
Subject RE: [VOTE] Apache cTAKES 3.0.0-incubating RC5 release
Date Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:28:35 GMT
I am actually glad that it is discussed here so that other podlings or future podlings are
aware of these fundamental items (since not everyone may subscribe to legal-discuss).

Is this philosophy or policy also true for parts of a code base that are intricate to the
basic functionality of the software such as icons, gifs, jpgs, and statistical models in this
case (which were approved to be distributed under the same ASL2.0 terms)?

Can those be included in the source or binary dist or both?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roy T. Fielding []
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2013 9:52 AM
> To:
> Subject: Re: [VOTE] Apache cTAKES 3.0.0-incubating RC5 release
> On Jan 25, 2013, at 4:13 AM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> > On Fri, Jan 25, 2013 at 3:04 AM, Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
> > <> wrote:
> >> Hi Benson,
> >>
> >> On 1/24/13 7:23 PM, "Benson Margulies" <>
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> It's unfortunate to have this conversation in parallel here and on
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Also, this thread is a combo of the discussion of ordinary
> >>> jars-of-classes (where I'd forgotten the policy) and the much more
> >>> tangled question of models, which is what the JIRA is wrestling with.
> >>>
> >>> To answer Ted, I think that Roy might write something like:
> >>>
> >>> "It's not the mission of the ASF to create complete,
> >>> end-user-friendly, software products. It's our mission to create
> >>> open source code. If someone else wants to build up an
> >>> end-user-friendly aggregation of ASF code and models from bombs of
> >>> whatever, that's great, and we encourage them."
> >>
> >> What about Apache OpenOffice?
> >
> > I asked this question about Open Office, and I got, more or less, what
> > I typed in above. I was puzzled, but there you have it. As I recall,
> > Roy made a remark like 'our real users are people who will take the
> > source of Open Office ...'.
> The Apache Software Foundation is not a retail software company.
> We foster an ecosystem, and do our best not to shoot ourselves in the foot
> by directly competing with commercial interests and killing the ecosystem in
> the process.
> Please don't confuse the development community with the end-user
> community. They are not even remotely the same things.  There is nothing
> preventing folks in the development community from providing the best
> support available, for the most polished binary releases, for folks who only
> care about "open source" as a fashion statement.
> They can even do so using our infrastructure, if they are part of our
> development team.
> It just isn't the ASF doing so -- it is some person or company doing so.
> Yes, being user friendly has a huge value for the projects. So what?
> We have to leave something for others to do.
> And I did mention, many times over, that the *right* way to handle
> was to manage the user-facing site separately from the
> development organization, with separate nonprofits if necessary, particularly
> since then the user-facing site could host all of the OO distributions without
> busting our brand.
> ....Roy
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