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From Jukka Zitting <>
Subject Re: What constitute a successful project?
Date Tue, 27 Nov 2012 00:25:06 GMT

On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:53 PM, Alan Cabrera <> wrote:
> As I mentioned in an earlier email, we did have this conversation seven
> months ago.  We came to a consensus to give it another try.  We even added
> a few committers a "bit early" with the hopes that they would infuse the project
> with more energy.

That doesn't take away the fact that there are still people who are
clearly interested in continuing work on the project. Instead of
telling the community to pick up their toys and leave, I'd much rather
ask them to come up with a credible alternative. The failure of past
attempts to grow the community does not necessarily mean that future
attempts will also fail, so I'd give the community the benefit of
doubt as long as there are new ideas and people willing to try them.

If I understand correctly the problems in Chukwa are two-fold: 1) the
community isn't diverse, i.e. there are only few people involved, and
2) the community isn't active, in that even the involved people don't
have too many cycles to spend on the project.

Thus I'd raise the following questions to Eric and others who want to
keep Chukwa alive at the ASF:

a) Is it reasonable to expect existing community members to become
more active in near future? If yes, will such increased activity be
sustainable over a longer period of time?  Why? IIUC there was some
recent legal progress that might help here. What would be the best way
to measure the expected increase in activity?

b) How do you expect to get more people involved in the project? What
concrete actions will be taken to increase the chances of new
contributors showing up? Why do you believe these things will work
better than the mentioned earlier attempts at growing the community?
Good ideas of concrete actions are for example cutting new releases,
improving project documentation, presenting the project at various
venues, simplifying the project build and initial setup, and giving
more timely answers and feedback to new users and contributors (see
also my observation from October [1]). How can we best tell whether
such efforts are working?

Coming up with good answers to such questions is not necessarily easy
(and it's fine if not all of them can yet be answered), but going
through that effort should give us a good reason to continue the
incubation of Chukwa at least for a few more months until we should
start seeing some concrete and sustainable improvements in community
activity and diversity.



Jukka Zitting

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