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From Benson Margulies <>
Subject Re: Retirement decision making
Date Wed, 28 Nov 2012 21:48:18 GMT
TLPs do, sometimes, retire. Some of them have retired precisely
because all the contributors disappeared due to seismic events at
work. The board has been observed to keep a TLP alive really to the
last possible moment -- the point where there were less than three
people to vote on a release.

This does not entirely reply to your point; how much viability should
the board want to see before establishing a TLP? I write, 'the board',
since a IPMC votes are _recommendations_ to the board.

After last year's discussions about the incubator, we decided that it
was better to err a bit on the optimistic side and graduate some small
projects, rather than retiring them or keeping them in the incubator
forever. In a year or two, depending on how some of them do, we may
learn something from this that will cause us to change our view and
try something else.

Subjective? Yup. The alternative isn't attractive; a strict adherence
to some objective criteria can also end up with the wrong answer.

On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 4:36 PM, Alan Cabrera <> wrote:
> On Nov 28, 2012, at 12:56 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 28, 2012 at 9:46 PM, Alan Cabrera <> wrote:
>>> ...I'm wondering if it makes sense to do away with the diversity and vibrant
>>> dictum and merely state that at least one person is reasonably active and that
>>> all the PMC members are trustworthy....
>> I wouldn't want to graduate a project that doesn't seem to be able to
>> grow a sustainable community. Demonstrating potential for that, even
>> though the results might not be here yet at the time of graduation, is
>> important for me as a mentor. It's quite subjective, but in case of
>> doubt this PMC can certainly help make the right decisions.
> Too subjective, IMO.  If we're really serious about this then would we not also need
a process to vacuum old projects?
> Plus, in addition to being extremely subjective, and contentious, isn't sustainability
and diversity a transitory aspect?  Someone who's been working on a project for ten years
now has his project booted because some company decided to pull out developers?  That seems
like a no win situation for that person and for the company who may end up looking like the
bad guy.
> Regards,
> Alan

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