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From Roman Shaposhnik <>
Subject Re: Sub-projects - when are they acceptable? (was Re: [VOTE] Graduate Nuvem as a sub-project under Apache Tuscany)
Date Wed, 21 Nov 2012 16:28:21 GMT
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Benson Margulies <> wrote:
> So, permit me to ask another, related, question. It seems to me that
> the IPMC is concerned with the fact that a project is ready to leave,
> but not so much which where it is going. A proposal to form a new TLP
> is, I think, a straightforward question to the board, and the IPMC's
> action is to make a recommendation to the board.
> A proposal to be integrated into an existing project is, I think,
> within the authority of the existing product's PMC. If Project A
> wishes to invite the members of Podling B to join and integrate their
> code, then this looks to me like it could just happen without any
> approval in advance from the board or even the IPMC. Voting in
> committers is a PMC task, voting in PMC members is a PMC task with
> board lazy approval, and copying (ip-cleared) code from one place in
> ASF source control to another is a PMC task.
> I think that IPMC graduation votes in this case are a nice thing, but
> it seems by this logic that they are not necessary.
> Does this make sense?

I think you raise a very important question. In a sense, the way I see it
there has to be a joint recommendation to the board in such a case
with IPMC vouching for all the mechanics of the proposed community
(knowing the Apache Way, being capable of releases, being capable
of due diligence, etc.) and a top level PMC vouching that they do,
indeed, see a fit.

That said, I'm not quite sure how to best draft such a joint proposal.


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