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From Alan Cabrera <>
Subject Re: Retirement decision making
Date Thu, 29 Nov 2012 16:07:53 GMT

On Nov 29, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 29 November 2012 14:59, Alan Cabrera <> wrote:
>> On Nov 29, 2012, at 6:53 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Alan Cabrera <>
>> wrote:
>>>> ... Would you also add the three or more active PMC members
>> requirement?  What constitutes active?...
>>> IMO the bare minimum is being able to find three PMC members to vote
>>> on things when needed.
>>> Once a project gets below this limit it's in trouble and usually
>>> headed for the attic, but that's not the only possibility - see
>>> "Resolution to reboot the Apache Xalan PMC" at
>>> for example.
>> And so by extension we can apply this to podlings as well.
>> So if the IP is vetted and we trust the PPMC members then the podling has
>> met all the requirements for incubation?
> +1

Well this dramatically changes what I though I was supposed to do.  I thought I was doing
my duty as a mentor when I scraped up my 9 pence and dragged Chukwa to the curb.

By the criteria described above the podling is most likely good to go; in the good way not
the bad way.

It would probably be a good idea to add some kind of designation to the graduating podling
officially informing it that in the estimation of the IPMC it has not yet obtained its vibrant
and diverse requirements and that it will be required to submit a plan and track progress
in its board reports.  

Maybe TLPs can be put on some kind of official probation, or some term less severe.  The Attic
can be the shepherds for TLPs in probation.  

The benefits are that the podlings no longer need to go through the sometimes arduous Incubator
release cycle.  They loose the "stigma" of being a podling.  Strangers coming in understand
that the TLP does not meet the ASF standard for diversity and vibrancy but the ASF still holds
out great hope.


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