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From Alan Cabrera <>
Subject Re: Retirement decision making
Date Thu, 29 Nov 2012 14:18:07 GMT

On Nov 29, 2012, at 1:14 AM, Ross Gardler wrote:

> On 29 November 2012 08:56, Bertrand Delacretaz <>wrote:
>> On Wednesday, November 28, 2012, Greg Reddin wrote:
>>> ...What difference does it make to
>>> the ASF if a project is very small or very slow?...
>> IMO, as long as there's three or more active PMC members who react when
>> needed, and provide the quarterly board reports, a small/slow project is
>> fine and there's no need to move it to the attic.
> +1 - oversight is what matters. If the PMC is happy to continue as is then
> all is good. As previously stated my concern is whether the PMC is
> operating in a way in which the building and maintenance of a diverse
> community is possible. For example, when a new patch turns up are they
> reviewing and applying it and are they bringing in the new community member.
> Note that in this months reports the board were asked, by a TLP, for
> feedback on the "dormant" state they found themselves in, the PMC was
> reactive when necessary but not proactively developing the code or the
> community. The boards feedback was in line with Bertrands comment above -
> the PMC is providing sufficient oversight so no problem. In another case
> this month a TLP indicated one of their sub-projects was dormant to the
> extent that patches were not being reviewed. The board asked if there was a
> plan and the PMC responded with unity that it will be addressed. So no
> problem, the PMC is aware of the issue and is addressing it.
> Drawing this to its natural conclusion a podling should be graduated once
> it demonstrates an ability to operate as an Apache project without the need
> for binding IPMC votes on releases etc.  A podling should be retired if
> there is insufficient interest from both the PPMC and the IPMC to move it
> towards this state (which brings me back to my original 3 stages of
> decision making about podling retirement).

Would you also add the three or more active PMC members requirement?  What constitutes active?


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